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[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You're not wrong. But Trump is far more coherent than Biden. It's all lies, but they were coherent lies at the debate.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Trump has never been coherent, not once in his life.

Remember this?

“I’m speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I’ve said a lot of things. I know what I’m doing and I listen to a lot of people, I talk to a lot of people and at the appropriate time I’ll tell you who the people are. But my primary consultant is myself and I have a good instinct for this stuff.”

— Donald Trump, March 16, 2016, after being asked who he consults with about foreign policy

Or this?

"My uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, okay, very smart. The Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you're a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, okay, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it's true! — but when you're a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that's why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my credentials all the time, because we're a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it's not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right — who would have thought?), but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it's four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven't figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it's gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us."

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yet Biden was so bad that Trump was far more coherent than Biden was. That's how bad of a candidate Biden is.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I haven't actually watched the debate because that would mean having to watch trump who literally makes me angry with his ignorant, smug, arrogance, but I've been assuming that a lot of the criticism about Biden is propaganda, hyperbole, or a misunderstanding about his speech impediment. Granted, a speech impediment is a horrible quality for a world leader, for one because it can lead to situations like this, but it doesn't mean his mental competency is any less than if he didn't have one. Did you watch the debate? If so, what did you think, and also because apparently it matters more than anything else in the world now to most people, what is your political party? What I mean is that trumpers could be handed the best leader in the history of the universe, one who speaks as Shakespeare writes, and solves problems like Einstein, and still lob the same accusations that they're lobbing at Biden now.

Edited: typos

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fair point about not watching the debate because Trump pisses you off. I did watch the debate live. It's not hyperbole, Biden was that bad. It felt like watching Biden lose the race in real time. He couldn't form complete thoughts. I know he is normally a gaf machine, but this was different. It wasn't struggling to find the right word, it was struggling to find a thought. It honestly reminded me of when my Grandma was struggling with brain cancer and how she struggled to speak. It was excruciating to watch because I've liked what he had done as president. Him staying in would have ruined his legacy and potentially undone everything he has fought for if Trump beat him.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oof. Well thanks for the context. That's unfortunate. I'm not a huge fan of Biden, but he's been respectable, boring, and actually benefitted the American people during his presidency, all of which are qualities I appreciate in a president. That's another thing I hate about trump. He's so desperate for attention that he does ridiculous shit on a daily basis, multiple times per day, just to stay in the headlines. I don't want a celebrity hound for a president, I want a competent leader that quietly does their job.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I think you and I have very similar feelings about Biden. I donated to Bernie's campaign and wasn't happy when Biden won the primaries last go around. But overall, he did much better than I expected. His biggest blunders I think have been only supporting Ukraine enough to stay on their heels and not actually beat back the invasion and supporting Israel after they've shown they're either committing genocide or they're so incompetent they shouldn't be fighting a war. Also, he ignored the border for too long, but I think any democrat would have made that mistake as well.