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300 million lbs of fireworks and 2.7 billion dollars gone in a cloud of smoke.

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[–] ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Fireworks are like. 000000000000001% of a concern for GHG.

You shut down a coal plant for 1 days because you switched to solar temporarily and you probably offset the output.

[–] whome@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The impact on nature goes beyond climate gases. At least here in Germany fireworks produce 1% of the yearly pm10 particulates. That's not nothing.

[–] ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's not nothing, but 1% goes to show just how much is no5 made by the giant 1 day full of sky explosions, and how likely 70-80% is from transport and energy sector.

Eliminating all fireworks from earth and banning them tomorrow would have a near 0 impact on anything, and be completely erased if a coal plant runs an extra day or two.

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 month ago

Assuming there would be a single source responsible for the remaining 99% of yearly pm10 particulates, let's say a giant coal power plant, then it would take 4 days of it running to have the same impact as fireworks.

[–] Sizzler@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Giant ceremonial bonfires /= fireworks, for one. Tons of random shit can go into bonfires beyond just wood, the wood is of incredibly differing quality and chemical treatments, and bonfires by their nature a low to the ground and intended to last for at minimum an hour or they're not worth making.

This is not the same discussion as fireworks. It's also still not long term effects, as the site warns of poor air quality in the days that follow the giant bonfires if there is no wind or weather, but it does dissipate either way, not that this event gives everyone cancer or something.

The question was about fireworks. And yea, fireworks are an afterthought still. Compared to Guy Fawkes Night maybe even more of an afterthought. Guy Fawkes Night and 4th of July still hardly register on the global scale of CO2 and GHG outputs.

[–] Sizzler@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I was pointing out that fireworks were being used in a way that lowers the local air pollution for residents, for days, not just the evening. You can say 'barely registered' but I've shown you a clear case of it very much registering in terms of effects on local populous.

[–] ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Bonfires are not fireworks. Guy Fawkes Night is infamously filled with tons of bonfires.

[–] Sizzler@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 month ago

I saw a bonfire with a calculated pallet cost of $100k. That's something. Fireworks are a big part of the bonfire celebration and put pollutants into the lower atmosphere. The example I gave is more firecrackers being used at street-level.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah but no one ever actually does that.