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Israel literally funded the far right extremist organizations because they'd rather fight them than socialist resistance. It's Israel's fault they're like that.
And I suppose they managed this even before Israel came into existence? They have always been like this. The original leaders of the Palestinian government in the Arab-Israeli war were largely fascist anti-communist agitators.
It might very generously be Israel's fault that they're still like this, but that does not change the reality of the situation.
That is what I'm saying and that is what matters.
The reality is that Israel is a settler colonial ethnostate genociding Palestinians and it shouldn't exist.
Sure, it shouldn't have been created, but it's here now, and the majority of people living in it were born there. We can't make it go away by wishful thinking.
Do you think dissolving Israel would require relocating everyone? Thats like saying the only way to fight white supremacy in the US is to kill or relocate all the white people.
History has proven time and again that given the opportunity, the nation's bordering Israel in every direction (save possibly Lebanon) will try to either annex Israel or restore the entirety of it to an Arab nationalist muslim government.
Should such an event come to pass, the displacement of the entire population would be a best case scenario. The Jewish population of Syria and Jordan are both zero, and Egypt's is less than 20, down from several hundred thousand between the three in 1948.
There is no way to interpret the Hama's charter other than incitement to genocide.
The major factors preventing another Arab-Israeli war are tensions with Iran, Billions of dollars in US military aid, and the nuclear weapons likely owned by the Israeli state.
Dissolve the Israeli state, and unless you replace with something similar, and those factors will no longer stand. Compromise the territorial integry of the new state to any serious degree, including ceding the west bank to a Palestinian state, and Israel becomes militarily indefensible.
"Israel has to do genocide or the people Israel funded might to genocide"
You know Israel could just try to be a pluralistic society that doesn't do genocide or apartheid right? But then it wouldn't really be Israel would it?
How exactly could Israel try to be a pluralistic society? Neither side will accept a one state solution.
Well, Israel could start funding socialist opposition who wouldn't do sectarian violence to them if apartheid ended. It worked with Hamas, it should work the other way around.
And other things that won't happen because again, Israel is a settler colonialist ethnostate bent on exterminating Palestinians.
No amount of money is going to change attitudes that severely without some sort of forced indoctrination. It didn't work with Hamas, their attitude was there from the start, and years of Israeli and Iranian funding has only helped them remain one of the major Palestinian political organisations.
And please, Israel is an apartheid state sure, no arguments here, but the Palestinian population is one of the fasted growing in the world. They are entirely at the mercy of the Israeli state, and if the Israeli goal were to exterminate them as you say, they would have had some results in the past seventy years.