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Even talking about it at all on non e2ee apps can get you caught, not just "hey doc.." but even "hey ma, I'm gonna.." Know what though? We can expand this to any crime, seditious materials, not wanting the contents of your messages to be stored in perpetuity in case something like abortion laws change or databases get hacked or seized. And not every country is the US btw, some people in this world need Tor to access Facebook without being sent to Lake Laogai. Not to mention, the NSA, FBI, and CIA, love that they can buy your data in bulk, they don't want to go back to needing warrants, personally, I like warrants, as they have to at least ask a judge and it at least ostensibly has to be for a reason, as opposed to "here's $50 gimme data." Btw while we're talking about buying data, did you hear about the fact that you can buy life360 data for a neighborhood at $45, and this data tells you when people usually leave the house/come back from work, and you or me could buy this data and use it to rob every life360 user in the neighborhood. Sure we don't know who we're robbing, but we do know that it's 2pm and nobody will be home for another 4hr.
If you don't like or need privacy, please post your credit card numbers, exp date, sec code, full address, and SSN, medical records, and leave that door unlocked for me, but trying to convince me there's no reason to be mad about it or to try and limit the scope of their warrantless surveillance ain't gonna work, it is a problem that needs fixing, not apathy.
This comment is just filled with the misinformation I'm taking about
What exactly is misinfo?
Edit: Downvote, but not expound upon your point? Seems to me that is a tacit admission of a lack of truth. Especially considering everything I referenced is known to be true, not some conspiracy theory, if all you've said is "misinformation" but can't explain how I'll have to trust the sources.
https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/9/22820381/tile-life360-location-tracking-data-privacy
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/07/instead-of-obtaining-a-warrant-the-nsa-would-like-to-keep-buying-your-data/
https://www.npr.org/2022/08/12/1117092169/nebraska-cops-used-facebook-messages-to-investigate-an-alleged-illegal-abortion
No, that's not how E2EE works.
They can't, this is illegal in the majority of first world countries.
Life360 only shares aggregated data with 3rd parties, not personal data.
Lol no it doesn't
Never said I don't need or like privacy, it's literally my job and I'm quite passionate about it. I said people here share bullshit misinformation, which you just did. Your sources prove absolutely none of your claims.
Uhh, yeah it is. E2ee (with keys controlled by the users) does "work" by keeping your conversation data encrypted (assuming the encryption isn't cracked and the keys aren't held by attacker). Messages that are not e2ee are not encrypted, so they can be read without breaking the encryption they don't have simply by obtaining a warrant or in some cases simply requesting (by the government).
It literally is "the whole point" of e2ee, that is how it works.
They can and do. Have another link.
From the text:
I disagree, I think that knowing my every move throughout the day is personal, whether they know my name or not, they know where I sleep, they know where I work, they know where I hang out, that is pretty personal. Not to mention if you know who lives in "House A" and you buy the location data for the area "House A" is in, you have just deanonymized them and can now use it for stalking purposes.
https://www.businessinsider.com/life360-family-safety-app-sells-user-location-data-report-2021-12?op=1
You sure about that?
Listen you say you do this for a living, but you provide no sources debunking the claims, the DHS isn't even denying they do it, their lawyer is claiming it is legal, they literally admit it, idk what else to tell you man, it looks like they do. From the life 360 TOS:
They literally admit to selling location data, even if it is "de-identified" that still means my home address can be easily figured out, my name isn't the problem, the problem is the "precise location data" they admit to selling. Sorry my dude but it all seems to be the case.
Misread your initial comment, sure, messaging apps without E2EE can turn over your messages, this was never a topic of conversation.
And I don't need to debunk claims that were never proven to begin with. That's not how this works.
Admission is good enough for proof in my book, barring coercion which I don't think the DHS lawyer or life360 was being subjected to at the time. If they aren't doing it why should they lie and say they are? Furthermore, you assert that it is "illegal" for them to buy the data, the DHS lawyer disagrees, so does the US Government (here's the NBC article I got that from), in this US Government document, and frankly it does seem to be a loophole. Can you direct me to the law preventing federal agencies from buying data from data brokers? If it is in fact illegal, there is a law somewhere that says so, can you point me to that?
You're wrong my dude.
Edit: Back to downvoting with no argument, eh? I'm starting to think you're one of these feds trying to gaslight me tbh.
Jesus man, I'm not sitting around waiting to reply to your comments, this is not a real time conversation, this is social media, get used to latency for fucks sake. Yeah sure, I'm secretly a federal agent tasked with spreading evil agendas across Lemmy, whatever.
It just seems to be your MO, downvote and say "nuh uh" but otherwise provide nothing of value beyond "trust me bro I'm a doctor." Have fun with your psyops or whatever you're doing trying to convince people privacy isn't something they should strive for and to just let the stalking corporations and government entities have everything they want because insurance can see your medical records or whatever the fuck you were on about, I'm done here, I've sufficiently proven my point and you've nothing to back yours, begone.
Nobody owes you a conversation on here
Ya mama