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[–] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

in what world would anyone side with the US over china and russia

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 35 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'd expect US vassals like Canada, Japan and the EU to side with the US.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You could argue about vassel-ness, but yes, the whole Western block would, and many poor nations that lean that way as well, like Vietnam or Palau.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 39 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Vietnam has some beefs with China, but I think it's a bit more up in the air than that which way they'd turn since it'd be a real existential threat to them to militarily oppose China like that (plus they do have some productive deals with China).

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

True, and I have no special insight into Vietnamese politics. In this scenario the US is also right there, though, and is stronger than China assuming no MAD.

Vietnam and Palau should be read as examples only.

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 28 points 11 months ago

stronger than China

citations-needed US not looking so hot after pissing money down the drain in forever wars for 2 decades.

[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

[laughs in hypersonic missile]

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

That would be MAD. Unless they're loaded with conventional warheads, in which case they'll run out pretty early on because those missiles are expensive and the US has bottomless supplies to reply with.

[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

"the USA, where neoliberal capitalism has hollowed out the defense contractors so much they can't produce anywhere near enough artillery shells, has bottomless supplies and can afford more aircraft carriers than China can afford hypersonic missiles, which the USA has not even been able to successfully test."

pathetic cope

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No, they just need to afford more missiles with a similar range. Aircraft carriers might prove to be the new battleships, but that's not the whole US military.

[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 2 points 11 months ago

the force projection understander has logged on

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 20 points 11 months ago

You can argue about anything, but these countries are absolutely US vassals.