I hope assisted suicide becomes more common. For everyone. Experience of conscious beings is the most important thing for me. But governments view people as manpower which is depressing.

[+] Objection@lemmy.ml -21 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Suicide isn't "awesome," and "good on her for sticking it out" in the context of suicide would pass as ironic edgelord humor 20 years ago on 4chan.

It's terrifying that the exact same action, when done in a way that's "clean" and legal makes people say things like that that presumably nobody would say otherwise. Setting up a legal pathway for suicide doesn't change what it is.

[–] Timecircleline@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Setting up a legal pathway for suicide helps people maintain agency and also allows for those with curable conditions to take the time to seek the help they really need thanks to the ample medical oversight.

I don't think that it's awesome. Having read the article, I think that she has full capacity to make the decision and am happy that she is doing so in a medically supported way. Botched suicide attempts can cause devastating disabilities. And I always hate when a family member finds the body of someone who died by suicide.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml -2 points 5 months ago

I don't mind if you think it's a good policy or better than the alternative, but I'm always going to push back against people describing suicide as "awesome."

[+] Slotos@feddit.nl 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

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[–] BlitzoTheOisSilent@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

I'm with you 100%. No one consents to being born, and it should be every human's right to decide when they've had enough and consent to checking out of life.

We put down animals because they're suffering, it's seen as a mercy, yet when it comes to humans? Oh no, go through your fifth round of chemo, take two shots of morphine every day, exist in nothing but physical pain because wanting to die is somehow... Wrong?

I've suffered from depression the majority of my life, and I've even asked my therapist: what is so wrong, so bad, about wanting to die? We live in a society where the majority of wealth is held by very few, we're watching governments across the world fall to fascism, people's rights are being stripped away left and right, and yet the majority of the population believes "Well, you have XYZ, so you should be grateful! You have so much to live for!"

This is not a pro-suicide comment, either, to be clear. If you are suffering, please reach out to friends/family, or even better, a mental health professional if that is an option for you. Death is a permanent solution to what can be a temporary problem. But if an individual of sound mind and body wants to consent, for whatever reason, to no longer wanting to play this torture we call life, I believe they should 100% have the right to do so, and we should be glad we as a society have come so far as to extend the same mercy to human beings that we provide to pets.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml -3 points 5 months ago

Giving the life the middle finger is the ultimate expression of freedom.

Before I said that something could pass as ironic edgelord humor 20 years ago on 4chan, but in this case, I think this is so edgy even the channers would make fun of it.

Killing yourself is the ultimate expression of freedom? Shouldn't you be banned for saying that? When did it become acceptable to glamorize and encourage suicide?

Suicide isn't "the ultimate expression of freedom" it's the complete and total renunciation of freedom. Dead bodies aren't free to do anything except rot.

[–] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It isn't awesome that her life is so miserable that, even though she has spent decades exhausting all medical treatment options, she still wants to die. What is awesome is that there is a comprehensive and humane way for her to end her suffering that assures this isn't a rash decision, gives her loved ones a time frame to come to terms with it, and provides a situation where they do not have to deal with the aftermath of doing it herself.

Believe it or not, there are a lot of people out there who's lives are nothing but pain and suffering. Pain and suffering despite seeking out all possible means to relieve themselves of this pain, and finding that none exist. Pain that isn't going to end, and not having a life worth living to look forward to. There are also a lot of people out there that have loved these people and realized that, though it hurts them, the suffering the person they love is going through is far worse, and will not get better. Sometimes it is more selfish to demand someone not end their life than it is for them to do so.

You clearly have not actually been in this position, even if you have been suicidal before. Maybe you should admit that you don't know everything about this, and let people have a humane way to stop their suffering.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml -5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I will never in a million years be convinced that "suicide is awesome" is a position that I should adopt or respect, sorry not sorry.

[–] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

You still don't get it, they saying aren't suicide is awesome. So you continue on with your misinterpretation.

[–] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago

Clearly you don't put nuance into it, and don't care to. Enjoy (or hate) your black and white life.