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[–] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I dunno, I think I'm on the side of "it might taste great but if it's vegan it doesn't meet the definition of cheese."

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So I don't necessarily agree in general, it depends on how you define milk... If you curdle a liquid and it becomes cheese like, it's probably cheese? Unless milk can only come from mammals/animals.

[–] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I would, in fact, definite milk as only coming from a mammal. Coconut milk or soy milk or nut milk or whatever else may superficially resemble milk but they're pretty fundamentally not the same sort of substance as milk.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There are texts going back to the 8th century talking about almond milk. That ship sailed before Columbus.

[–] accideath@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Just because it’s called the same, doesn’t mean it generally is. In Germany we have something called "Scheuermilch", which literally translates into "abrasion milk". The only property it shares with milk or even plant-milk is its colour. It’s a cleaning product. You could of course define milk more broadly as "white liquid"…

Fun fact on the side: almond milk & co. are not allowed to be called milk on the packaging in germany. They’re usually called something along the lines of "almond drink". Reason being because it might confuse the buyer. Scheuermilch is still allowed to be called Scheuermilch though and coconut milk is still coconut milk. So according to our government, apparently, milk can be any white liquid unless it’s a plant based substitute for cow milk. Then it’s something entirely different.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 months ago

So it's arbitrary except for the whitish color. So who do you think is pushing for the name changes, because we've been doing this for 1200 years now. I expect someone doesn't want to have to put dairy or cow on their labels. Goat milk, after all, is still unquestionably milk and is still called goat milk.

[–] WldFyre@lemm.ee 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

We've called those liquids "milk" for over a thousand years

[–] piecat@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Magnesium hydroxide is also known as "milk of magnesia". Must be milk!