The Environmental Protection Agency approved a component of boat fuel made from discarded plastic that the agency’s own risk formula determined was so hazardous, everyone exposed to the substance continually over a lifetime would be expected to develop cancer. Current and former EPA scientists said that threat level is unheard of. It is a million times higher than what the agency usually considers acceptable for new chemicals and six times worse than the risk of lung cancer from a lifetime of smoking.
Federal law requires the EPA to conduct safety reviews before allowing new chemical products onto the market. If the agency finds that a substance causes unreasonable risk to health or the environment, the EPA is not allowed to approve it without first finding ways to reduce that risk.
But the agency did not do that in this case. Instead, the EPA decided its scientists were overstating the risks and gave Chevron the go-ahead to make the new boat fuel ingredient at its refinery in Pascagoula, Mississippi. Though the substance can poison air and contaminate water, EPA officials mandated no remedies other than requiring workers to wear gloves, records show.
This is the most shocking article I've read in a very long time.
Time to write or call the EPA. I have to look up how to do that. - report submitted here, you can submit one here: https://echo.epa.gov/report-environmental-violations
Literally everyone near these fuel emissions will(not can) get cancer, and 7% of people who eat fish living near these fuels get cancer. WHaT?!?
The salient point (emphasis mine):
Federal law requires the EPA to conduct safety reviews before allowing new chemical products onto the market. If the agency finds that a substance causes unreasonable risk to health or the environment, the EPA is not allowed to approve it without first finding ways to reduce that risk.
But the agency did not do that in this case. Instead, the EPA decided its scientists were overstating the risks and gave Chevron the go-ahead
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Might want to add that the relevant data for those chemicals the EPa says they calculated incorrectly were not released, so the only data available by the EPA indicates the insane inevitabilities of cancer that their report states.
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I just emailed my senator
Why would they care? That they just approved this stuff is sufficient proof that the right people got the "right incentive" to wave it through. Why should they anger the people who paid them?
Doing nothing changes nothing, while trying to make a difference could make a difference
Just saying, this is only being manufactured at one refinery right now, yeah? Maybe there would be a good place to protest.
The EPA is an executive agency right? Maybe if we raise enough hell to Biden himself, he can stop this shit.
7 percent of the people who eat fish will get cancer? Fish travel and their nutrients travel. Absolutely fuck this shit.
And chevron's planning to use these fuels at 100 locations according to Pro-Publica so, yeah it's a huge problem.
I just found the EPA reporting link online, what do you mean by raising enough hell to Biden himself, is there some sort of contact route to the president? And yeah, the EPA is an executive agency.
I mean writing letters to the man directly. Even if he has someone else write back, the fact that he's being contacted about this will keep him from forgetting about it.
It doesn't say that. It refers to exposure "continually over a lifetime".
There aren't all that many substances that won't cause cancer with continuous exposure over a lifetime. Gasoline certainly will, but so will sawdust or grape juice.
This article reads very much like the "Dihydrogen Monoxide" warnings. Let's step back for a second and critically evaluate what is being claimed.
The EPA didn't release a report that people continually exposed to water will definitely get cancer.
These two new fuels using plastic-based refined chemicals have been determined by the EPA to definitely give people cancer over repeated exposure throughout their lives.
These poisonous chemicals determined by the EPA read nothing like jokes for middle school science teachers.
They don't even name the agent in question, or provide any information on its chemical composition. There is no way to corroborate any of the information given.
Do you even critically think, bro?
Do you mean you didn't notice the included EPA report or you didn't read the EPA report they obtained through FOIA?
It's the one titled "Integrated Risk Assessment for Chevron Waste Plastic Fuels".
The carcinogenic claims I read in the article would apply to "gasoline" just as much as the unnamed, undefined, "evil villain chemical(s)" described. The article is heavy on FUD, but very light on fact.
It's an EPA report, specifically about plastic-based fuels that give people cancer, reported by more than one credible news source and corroborated by an EPA veteran.
Giving people cancer does not make a chemical an "evil villain", but a fuel company known to abuse human rights and destroy the environment with carcinogens developing and the EPA approving fuels that they have determined give people cancer 100% of the time over repeated exposure is something that should be stopped, or if the EPA has made a mistake, made clear and retested.
This article is heavy on data and precedent, your comment is not.
It is not an EPA report. It is a sensationalist article on ProPublica. Do not conflate the two.
Dude it is absolutely an EPA report, the chemicals are all named with their IDs, and ProPublica got experts in the field to corroborate the data.
What more do you want?
The original post is not an EPA report. The original post is a ProPublica article. The ProPublica article is not written to inform, but to inflame.
To form a meaningful opinion, we also need the utilitarian value of this mystery chemical, and we need to know how its risks compare to those of similar products.
Again. ALL of the carcinogenic claims made in the ProPublica article about the mystery chemical(s) are equally true of "gasoline". They refer to the chemical as "boat fuel"; all the boats I have been on have burned either gasoline or diesel. Is this mystery chemical "gasoline"? Something with the same utilitarian value and risks as gasoline? ProPublica tells us the risks of this mystery product, but doesn't give us the context of other products.
I understand ProPublica wants me to be pissed off. What I don't understand is why ProPublica is pissed off. Are they supporting an environmentalist agenda? Are they supporting one of Chevron's competitors producing a similar product? Are they a right-wing group trying to shut down a government agency for incompetence? Are they a left-wing group fighting against regulatory capture? Are they just trolling us for the lulz? Until I understand why they want me to be pissed off, my pitchfork is staying in the barn, and my jimmies will remain unrustled.
Missed the report and the EPA/Chevron corroboration?
Here's the report from the article you didn't read:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23886219-integrated-risk-assessment-for-chevron-waste-plastic-fuels
That is a 203 page report. You didn't read it. All you know about it are the cherry picked segments that ProPublica is using to get you pissed off. You don't know why ProPublica is trying to get you to be pissed off any more than I do.
You want me to be pissed off about the EPA report, you need to show me a summary written to inform rather than incite. I don't respond well to blatant, unrepentant propaganda.
You have been provided with a summary of the EPA report. That's literally what the article is.
You're being rationally and clearly informed by a credible news organization about carcinogenic fuels that, according to the EPA, will directly and indirectly certainly cause cancer.
"Gasoline" is a carcinogenic fuel that directly and indirectly certainly causes cancer under the "continuous exposure" circumstances described in the article. Nothing in the article actually distinguishes between "gasoline" and the mystery chemical mentioned. Substitute "gasoline" in for every nebulous reference to plastic fuel or boat fuel, and all of the facts discussed in the article are still true.
Whatever truth there is to the article is overshadowed by the propaganda. The only valid conclusion we can make from the article is that ProPublica wants us to come out with our pitchforks without actually telling us why.
You are incorrect, the EPA report specifically asseses waste plastic-based fuels developed by Chevron. The EPA assesses those plastic-based fuels as definitely cancer-causing.
What are you referring to specifically when you keep saying propaganda as if you were using the word correctly?
If you find the same report for "gasoline", you will see that it shows substantially identical risks, including the "definitely cancer causing" risks.
What is it about the risks from this unnamed fuel product that actually distinguishes it from the risks of "gasoline"?
The propaganda I am referring to is the article's insinuation that the risks from this particular chemical are substantially higher than for other chemicals used for similar purposes. The EPA report does not show a higher risk, and the ProPublica article does not provide an apples-to-apples comparison. For all we know, the cancer risk from gasoline could be double or triple that of the unnamed chemical. Neither the article nor the EPA report on the unnamed chemical actually allows us to make a reasonable comparison either way. You could be condemning a fuel that is safer than gasoline.
Obviously, we wouldn't want to drink this unnamed chemical, or rub it all over our bodies. We wouldn't want to shower, bathe, or swim in it, but the same is true of gasoline, diesel, jet-A, kerosene, propane, heating oil, bunker fuel, and any number of other fuel products. The article does not explain why we should be outraged over this one particular substance, and not any of the other substances that all carry substantially identical carcinogenic risks.
You are entirely wrong on all counts: 1)gasoline and plastic-derived fuels are different materials and have completely different risks. 2)The EPA report shows a higher risk by a factor of literally 1 million and 3) the article explains that because this new fuel is 1 million times more carcinogenic than the EPA limit, according to the EPA, it should not have been approved.
You're just straight-up lying.
The article very clearly explains the difference in EPA assessment between gasoline at a normal pump station and this new plastics-derived fuel.
The likelihood of developing cancer from being around gasoline fumes is under the usual EPA maximum ratio of 1 in 1,000,000. The chance of developing cancer by getting around the fumes of this new plastic-derived fuel is 1,000,000 in 1,000,000.
Do you understand the very large difference between the numbers 1 and 1 million?
EPA risk maximum - .0001% chance of developing cancer according to the EPA
This plastics-derived fuel - 100% chance of developing cancer according to the EPA
You don't have to bathe, drink ot swim in it. The EPA says you'll get cancer just from being near it.
Oh really? Ctrl-f, "gasoline", 0 results found. Article doesn't seem to be making any comparisons to gasoline.
Ctrl-f, "fume", 0 results found. The likelihood of developing cancer from fumes of any sort - let alone gasoline fumes - is not discussed in the article.
The article does not claim you'll get cancer just from being near it. From the article:
"Just being near it" has a slightly different meaning than "exposed continually over a lifetime".
The article does not mention any type or duration of exposure other than continual lifetime. It uses 14 variations to refer to such "lifetime" exposure. It never claims that cancer will be caused by incidental exposure.
Yes! Finally you're agreeing with me. Appreciated.
Cancer from these plastic-based fuels can be caused by direct or indirect exposure over a lifetime, including but not limited to during the production process or being around the emissions.
You really are a slow reader.
I guess that's why you've been wrong this entire time.
As for the one in a million maximum risk limit, I'm referring to any publicly common chemical approved by the EPA. Now that you've learned how to use Ctrl+F simultaneously, try moving on to something called a search engine (It's like a really big control F). You'll be able to find information about how the EPA assesses risk and their conventional limits.
I mentioned gasoline specifically because for some reason you're fixated on gasoline, even though as you agree with me, the article does not mention gasoline since that's a different fuel than the waste plastic derived fuels Chevron is producing and is irrelevant to the conversation.
You saw the word fuel and assumed that meant gasoline instead of what the article talks about, a plastic-based fuel.
So yes, you are getting closer. Just keep reading. It's taken you hours to get through ostensibly the first paragraph, but eventually I guess anybody could theoretically read the entire thing no matter how long it takes.
I appreciate the concessions, have a good one.
Brb, buying some shares of Chevron. They seem to be pissing off the right people.
Little late to the game, the fossil fuel industry might not be your best bet right now.
Oh, and whatever your problems are with reading, try not to project your inadequacies onto others.
True, gasoline would not be approved today by the EPA's own rules as it is a carcinogen. That's how fucked our environment is.
That doesn't mean that gasoline is not a dangerous substance, it just means that it has been grandfathered into the regulatory structure because of predates the EPA.
The chemicals subject to these proposed SNURs are as follows:
PMN Numbers (proposed 40 CFR citation): P–21–144 (40 CFR 721.11781), P–21–145 (40 CFR 721.11782), P–21–146 (40 CFR 721.11783), P–21–147 (40 CFR 721.11784), P–21–148 (40 CFR 721.11785), P–21–149 (40 CFR 721.11786), P–21–150 (40 CFR 721.11787), P–21–152 (40 CFR 721.11788), P–21–153 (40 CFR 721.11789), P–21–154 (40 CFR 721.11790), P–21–155 (40 CFR 721.11791), P–21–156 (40 CFR 721.11792), P–21–157 (40 CFR 721.11793), P–21–158 (40 CFR 721.11794), P–21–160 (40 CFR 721.11795), P–21–161 (40 CFR 721.11796), P–21–162 (40 CFR 721.11797), and P–21–163 (40 CFR 721.11798).
Chemical Names: Naphtha, heavy catalytic cracked (generic) (P–21–144), Naphtha, heavy alkylate (generic) (P–21–145), Naphtha, full range alkylate, butane–contg. (generic) (P–21–146), Naphtha, hydrotreated heavy (generic) (P–21–147), Naphtha, light catalytic cracked (generic) (P–21–148), Naphtha, light alkylate (generic) (P–21–149), Naphtha, hydrotreated light (generic) (P–21–150), Clarified oils, catalytic cracked (generic) (P–21–152), Distillates, hydrotreated heavy (generic) (P–21–153), Gas Oils hydrotreated vacuum (generic) (P–21–154), Distillates, light catalytic cracked (generic) (P–21–155), Distillates, clay-treated middle (P–21–156), Distillates, hydrotreated middle (generic) (P–21–157), Distillates, hydrotreated light (generic) (P–21–158), Gases, C4-rich (generic) (P–21–160), Gases, catalytic cracking (generic) (P–21–161), Residues, butane splitter bottoms (generic) (P–21–162), and Tail gas, saturate gas plant mixed stream, C4-rich (generic) (P–21–163).
Per the EPA:
https://www.regulations.gov/document/EPA-HQ-OPPT-2023-0245-0001
https://www.regulations.gov/docket/EPA-HQ-OPPT-2023-0245/document
And here's the full report: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23886219-integrated-risk-assessment-for-chevron-waste-plastic-fuels
wait what?
Also what about Nestea Zero. Asking for a friend
What's the point of having an EPA if you have to write them letters to get them to do their job? They'll just ignore it anyway.
Doing nothing changes nothing, while trying to make a difference could make a difference
Doing nothing? I'm just trying to live my fucking life here.
Live it up, bruv. Nobody's saying you have to do anything, I'm providing a link to make a report for anybody who wants to.
Yeah we all are... Some will still write the EPA though.