If Ukrainians don't fight, they will just be taken by Russia to fight in the next war after they are conquered, just like the Chechens are being used to fight Ukrainians today.

So they will be dying in war either way, the only question is if they will die fighting against Russia or fighting against another innocent country that Russia wants to conquer next.

Moldova, then Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, then Poland. Each population being genocided in the war against the next, just like Chechens are today in Ukraine.

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That is the propaganda they tell you to support the war. The other option is to negotiate peace like they did in spring of 2022 before the west got involved.

[–] realitista@lemm.ee -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, just like we did with Hitler after he annexed the Sudetenland.

You'd think that after Russia's invasion and annexation of land in Georgia, Moldova, Chechnya, and now Ukraine, people would wake the fuck up and start to see the pattern here, but I guess not.

Putin's government has very clearly stated their desire to conquer these territories out loud and in public. But somehow people like you continue to think that we can just allow them to conquer land of neighboring countries and somehow they will magically stop all of a sudden when we negotiate.

Yes, they will stop long enough to rebuild their army for the next conquest.

Why don't you just take them at their word rather than making some some fantasy about them?

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Then we have two options:

Russia is having a hard time taking over Ukraine, so obviously it cant take over a bunch of other countries.
Russia is strong and we are using dead Ukrainians to weaken them so they cant take over more countries.

Which one is it?

[–] realitista@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Russia is easily strong enough to take Ukraine and really all of Europe if the West does nothing. And at that point they will have a bigger GDP and 2-3 times the population of the US, so no reason to stop there. Which is the whole reason the US started NATO in the first place.

The West has done just enough to prevent that from happening. If the West withdrew all their support and just relied on the the goodness of Putin's heart, the US would be standing alone in direct conflict with Russia (owning Europe) , China (owning most of Asia), Iran, and North Korea within a decade. And they'd have a less than half the production and less than 20% of the population with which to do it.

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Oh gotcha you live in a neo-con fantasy novel. Sorry man but you are just saying silly things now.

[–] realitista@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I live in Czechia, so it is not so easy to pigeonhole me politically as you like. I am simply someone who understands the reality of living in this part of the world.

Russia have stated their aims of conquest openly and in public many times. The only one living in a fantasy is the one that doesn't listen to their own damn words and makes up some alternate reality which conflicts with what they themselves say they want.

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago

If you live over there then you should know exactly why russia invaded Georgia, then Crimea, and finally all of russia. The reason has been stated over and over again, and its not because they want to reassemble the soviet union and take over Europe.

I like you country, I went there years ago, the thing you should fear is the escalation of the war not a country with the GDP of a US state doing conventional war.