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The term "Slava Ukraini" originated from a far right theorist back in the 1910s and was frequently used by far right nationalist groups and Nazi organizations. In particular, "The greeting "Glory to Ukraine!(Slava Ukraini) Glory to the heroes!" became an official slogan of Stepan Bandera's Nazi-allied OUN-B in April 1941. During World War II, Ukrainian nationalists often used it in addition to a roman salute."
https://web.archive.org/web/20200926092831/https://georgetownsecuritystudiesreview.org/2018/10/22/glory-to-ukraine-the-de-glorified-truth-of-ukrainian-nationalist-policy/
The comment above is promoting fascism.
What is the context of the phrase now? Context is everything and you can't just point at the history books and twist the meaning of what someone said.
Languages change and morph over time. They always have.
The context is that this phrase is commonly used by neonazis and the far right in Ukraine today. Stop trying to whitewash fascists, it's not a good look.
Can I also not make the ok symbol because some dumbfucks are using it for other purposes?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence
I'm not being factually ingeniousness at all, but if you feel the need to lie to whitewash nazis then what else is there to say about you.
What interesting point you're making there. Let's just look at some of the people using "Slava Ukraini"
If these are the people you're carrying water for, then yeah you are a nazi apologist. I guess maybe if you're mentally deficient yourself then you might not have realized what the term means and who uses it, but I suspect you know precisely what you're doing here.
Nobody is moving any goalposts. This is a fascist phrased used by fascists. Period. I'm posting that because these are the people who took power in Ukraine in a violent coup that the west backs. Calling people who point out basic facts, as presented in mainstream western media, Russian propagandists shows who the actual troll here is.
Now tell black people they can’t use the n-word
Ah yes, because fascists are just like Black people. You are so very intelligent.
Can you honestly not see the comparison here?
Only a troll could possibly try to make a comparison like that.
No, you're using an out of date historical anecdote to generalize all usage of Ukraine's national slogan as pro Nazi. Way to drink the Russian Koolaid! The list of people that use the slogan that aren't Nazis is far larger and includes the Ukrainian President of ... Jewish descent. It's sad that the Mods fell for this.
I love how you trolls still use BuT ZeleNskY iS JeWiSh nonsense. If you don't understand why that argument is idiotic, what else is there to say to you.
Your insults really highlight the quality of your intellect.
You believing the accusation of wanting to be a russian bot is insulting is proof you do understand the reality you are so vehemently arguing against. I'll take the win and bid you good day as I remove your vile pollution from my life. Thank you for making your, and this Communities ridiculous hypocrisy so apparent. What's Russian for 'have a nice life you pitiful blight on society'? NM don't bother answering. I won't see it :)
Every country has a far right nationalistic group. That by no means is justification for invading a sovereign national and slaughtering its people.
OP has a long history of repeating many of the Russian talking points about how Nazis are in Ukraine. Even if he doesn't explicitly say that the invasion was justified, everything he posts is supporting it. (It depends if he is on a pro-Russian kick or a pro-China kick. He flip-flops a bit, but the methods are the same: Bait others, then get into pointless arguments ad-nauseam until the conversation devolves into name calling.)
He even has pages of references available at all times. It doesn't matter what those references are as it's a pain in the ass to dig into all that shit, and it's a distraction more than anything else.
Of course you’re not going to dig into them, you already know you’re right.
Anglosphere corporate media reported on Ukraine’s Nazi problem many times for nearly a decade, and then suddenly stopped in 2022.
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Now they only complain that embarrassing Nazi insignia keep appearing in their photos & footage of Ukrainian troops for some reason.
NYT last year: Nazi Symbols on Ukraine’s Front Lines Highlight Thorny Issues of History
Ah yes, Russian talking points as reported by mainstream western media. Love how you trolls just want to keep pretending there are no fascists in Ukraine. It's great that you openly admit that you don't care what the facts are. Says all we need to know about you.
You assume quite a few things, don't you?
I don't consider this trolling. We are already a couple of steps into the process I outlined above, so consider it proving a point.
Also, I don't give a fuck what you like or dislike or what dictator you choose to worship. Whatever. You do you.
The problem is that you are on an agenda to spread hate, misinformation and shift bias. Educating people is one thing, flooding social media with the intent to hurt is quite another. To me, you are not solving any problems, you arw attempting to create them.
Where the fuck are you from, anyway? What perfect utopia do you live in?
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Seriously. Where do you live? The quantity of shit you pump out about every other place in the world leads me to believe that you live in an awesome place.
Seems like I spend a lot of time living in your head rent free. 😂
By using that phrase, you are obviously a fascist. There hasn't been much time for that to change its meaning by those who tend to use it.
Still, I don't need (or want) your street address. Since we are talking about context, it would be really interesting to hear about your frame of reference. A country is fine. Wherever it is, there are likely hundreds of myths and stereotypes I could throw at you, but I won't.
I love how you trolls know that facts aren't on your side, so instead you always make it personal. My frame of reference is that I've lived in Russia, Czech Republic, US, and Canada. People in the west have outsized opinion of themselves and think that they can dictate to the whole world how to live. The reality is that the west isn't superior to everyone else, and doesn't get to dictate to the rest of humanity how to live. The sooner people in the west get this through their heads the better off the world will be. So, yeah I do want to shift your chauvinistic biases, and the fact that you're seething about it is entirely your problem.
Feel free to keep making a clown of yourself here, you're not fooling anybody. You're just an angry troll who thinks he's got the right to police what other people are allowed to say and think. The fact that all you do is just make personal attacks clearly shows who's the actual plague here.
We are making progress and thanks for insulting me directly. It's still not healthy, but a step in the right direction. You still have a tendency to lose track of how conversations flow, but that is something to work on in the future.
You bulk spreading propaganda is basically a form of warfare. In war, people shoot back so don't cry about catching a little bit of shrapnel.
warfare against your baby brain 🤣
I can no longer sit back and allow @yogthos@lemmy.ml infiltration, @yogthos@lemmy.ml indoctrination, @yogthos@lemmy.ml subversion, and the international @yogthos@lemmy.ml conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.
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I'm just stating basic facts of the situation here. Your style of trolling works on reddit because you are the majority and you just gang up and bully anybody who says anything you don't like. Now you're just mad that people hold different views from you, and you can't shut them up. You're just a sad bully who has nothing of value to say. The fact that you see yourself as fighting some crusade here just further highlights how deranged you really are. I sincerely hope that you get the help you so desperately need one day.