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I like Gnome when I come to use it without internalizing it. Say, a LiveUSB with Fedora with Gnome I used to recover accidentally deleted files from my root partition.
Otherwise I hate it, it's close aesthetically to my own set of themes and configs, but always a bit short of "good enough to replace it".
And any customization is PITA, because Gnome people senselessly mimic MacOS where it sucks. Since they do that senselessly, they sometimes occasionally mimic it where it doesn't, yeah. Occasionally.
They don't do it "senselessly"- the design clearly works for me and millions of other Gnome users.
It's fine if you don't like it but there's no need to bash clear design choices.
I don't particularly care for KDE design choices but a lot of people like it so what's it to me? I'm happy for them.
Define "design", because there are some choices which I agree with as well. But mostly that's about appearance (and the flattening of stuff is making it worse, and it all could be more compact).
As I've already said, I was talking about things they copy senselessly. Like buttons in titlebars and customization requiring you to use Google because of like 4 separate apps for setting up the same thing.
Cinnamon (set up similarly to vanilla Gnome 3, but without overview lagging and customization being PITA) is the mainstream DE I've used for the longest period of time.
Millions? LOL Maybe thousands, and if it is millions, it's far more likely that it's on a distro that puts forth a huge library of extensions to get around Gnome's senseless design choices so they can maintain gtk operability....which has been waning lately.
There are plenty of people using it, with inertia and Fedora being a thing. Seemingly even more than around 2012 when actually encountering people consciously using it was unusual, but everybody would talk how Gnome 2 was better, and it was.
Difference between macos and gnome is that apple has invested lot of money and extremely talented people, whereas gnome has much less people. I don't mind not having customisation when everything is good enough, but not the case in gnome at all.
Like the thing in finder where you type letter and instead of showing file starting with the letter it starts a recursive search. Or the giant top bar that has a barbone menu and serves almost no purpose. Apple put the app menu in there, makes sense.
Can't say MacOS is much better, but it's more consistent and takes less time to do the same things.
Gnome - just tried it again. Looks very good on the first glance. Doesn't even make me want to change theme at first (that's the only mainstream thing with such a mark). Nice wallpapers.
Settings of the DE itself are in 4-5 different places! Good Lord.
Application menu - why does it lag so bad? Everybody makes such menus for 30 years and more. I have lots of dot-desktop files installed, but XDG menus don't lag for me elsewhere.
Having a dock is an extension, not a prepackaged one at that? And the whole idea of a "prepackaged extension" frightens me.
Ctrl-Shift for switching keyboard layout I couldn't set up. I navigate to that place in settings, run the thing which is supposed to detect this combination. It doesn't.
It's as if they were trying to mimic the initial appearance of MacOS with Gnome, to show it to people who won't actually use it or don't have ADHD\anxiety\sight problems, and also probably don't use a second keyboard layout often.
A hint to Gnome devs - if your UX takes more actions to get somewhere for some very good reason (I hope), then it at least shouldn't lag on every one of those actions. Another hint is that you probably should have one application for your DE settings or at least group them somehow.
i mean we can poke at gnome, kde and every other linux desktop environment as much as we want. none is very good, they all have issue. that's why people who care pay big money for mac and then are called sheep by those who don't.
For some this would make sense, but I just can't use Macs, if presented with choice I'd choose Gnome.
Still it's sad, with Gnome 2 and even KDE 4 (KDE 3 obviously) being amazing and definitely better than Windows or MacOS, and I have used them daily so I'm not imagining things.