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[–] kometes@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago (7 children)

Is not shibboleth just phonetic?

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Depends on where you're from. Judges 12:5-6.

Basically one group of ancient middle easterners had the sh sound in their dialect, and another group didn't. That first group used the word shibboleth as a way of testing which group someone was from. Nowadays, the word shibboleth just refers to that kind of test in general. Like someone from Massachusetts figuring out whether you're a local based on how you pronounce scallop, or someone from Kansas asking you to pronounce "Arkansas"

Although I have no idea how local that pronunciation is. It might be Wichita exclusive for all I know

[–] Soku@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Dayum, what are the options with scallop? Is that the a you can pronounce as in that, hot or must? Which is the right one?

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 months ago

Most Americans pronounce the a as in "at" or "as," Massholes (and some other new englanders) pronounce the a as in "awe" or "awl"

The right one is the one that people in your region are used to. As a descriptivist, I believe that as long as people understand what you're saying, there's no wrong way to pronounce a word

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