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Huh. I don't recall being asked if I want to die
Do you want to follow Jesus who will give you eternal life?
That just sounds like extortion.
They complained they were never asked, lol, so I asked them
Follow Jebus if you don't want to die - is just extortion. Than again - old testament god was a bad boy himself, he would definitely approve, I mean he was really into murder.
It's a free gift
It's not free and not a gift.
Following Jesus is literally free. How is a free pardon for our crimes a gift?
I did not commit any crimes and don't have any sins, so there is nothing to forgive - and if so only people I wronged can forgive me. Also it's not free since it's coupled on a ton of conditions.
I doubt that you don't have any sins. Because we all do. What "conditions" concern you?
Sins is not a universal concept, it's a christian thing to make people feel bad about themselfs. Often just basic human experiences like lust are somehow defined as bad and than moral apostles like you claim everyone is a sinner.
Something is not free if you tie it in with conditions, I know you struggle with meanings of words an logic - but try to keep up.
Basically every religion has some idea of sin. It's atheism which tries and removes that by claiming objective morality doesn't exist, and that morality is merely just subjective and what people agree upon.
I asked you what conditions you were concerned about for salvation, and you didn't mention one but tried to demean me again as if I don't know what "conditions" mean.
Tell me more about sin in Buddhism.
That has nothing to do with atheism. All atheism does is stating that there is no god.
You might not like it, but that's how it is - animals are not concerned with morality, it's something we human came up with. Does not mean it's any less valuable than morality derived from magic creatures and imaginary friends.
You are the one who claimed it was free. I just said it had conditions and was therefore not free. I'm not concerned about conditions to beginn with since there is nothing I need salvation from.
Buddhists still believe in a universal moral code.
Ethnologist Christoph von Fürer-Haimendorf explained,
If there is no God, then there's no moral code, and no objective morality.
As for your final comment,
Ahh makes sense, you think that humans are evil and depraved - which is kind of telling on yourself. So maybe for you specifically it's cool that there is a book explaining that murder is bad. Most people just need a bit of empathy to get such a complex idea.
We are evil and depraved. Don't you see what we have done to this earth? And our moral compass has been ingrained in us since Eden. You don't need to be a Christian to have morals. We have them because it's true.
Babies too? Also unborn babies? Than again, since child cancer is a thing - evil babies might be a thing too. But I digress.
So tell me how are you evil and what is depraved about you?
The same any species without a natural predator would have done? It's more of an argument against human intelligence as it is for god.
Source: trust me bro I read it in an old fantasy book.
I am one of the most depraved and disgusting people I know. There's no redeeming qualities about me. That's why I thank God every day for saving me and forgiving me. He is the only one who can redeem me.
Seems about right.
Oh no I didn't mean I haven't been asked by mortals. Are you claiming to be God?
Why does the distinction matter? I can still help show you to freedom if you'd like.
I promise you don't have evidence that would sway me.