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Signal and Threema want nothing to do with WhatsApp (www.androidpolice.com)

submitted 10 months ago by throws_lemy@lemmy.nz to c/technology@lemmy.world

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[–] TheFrirish@jlai.lu 22 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I understand her point and imho that's what makes signal a superior option to the others but because of these extreme choices I've seen the usage of signal gradually go down (might be wrong for the total number of users) around me. Now I don't anyone who uses signal anymore.

it's a real shame it's ridiculous to be using whatsapp but I have whatsapp installed on my phone not signal because that's what everyone uses.

[–] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Signal were fools to remove the SMS support from their app. That was a good way to get people in to use the system - they could have insecure SMS chats with those not on signal, and secure signal chats with those on it. The app would warn you when someone didn't have signal and the chat was insecure.

It was a really good "trojan horse" route into people's lives. I was using signal every day and it was easier encouraging others to make the switch because it was a convenient app.

Then the devs removed that and dumped all their users back onto other SMS apps.

Now I have 3 apps - an SMS app, Signal and WhatsApp. I barely ever use Signal now. I want to use it more but so few people I know use it, and it's not the first place people message me from.

Removing SMS support was a huge strategic misstep. They should have been the bridge for people to move from SMS to secure chat.

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

While I do think you are correct, you have to remember a few things:

SMS really isn't used outside the US (and iMessage pretty much was the death of text messages and now iMessage also supports RCS)
Open source projects can be strict about following a moral code
Anything more than just sending secure messages is just an attack vector and more layers of code to maintain

[–] embed_me@programming.dev 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Idk about other countries. But in India, SMS is pretty big for businesses to send updates to the customers. Like 2FA for bank transactions, delivery tracking, govt alerts etc. Customer to customer is almost nil except on rare occasions when maybe the internet is down and you need to send an urgent text.

And I should mention that domestic SMS is free (included with any active cellular plan)

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Very good point. I did forget about that. That's pretty much the only time most of my family will look at actual SMS messages.

[–] racsol@programming.dev 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

A bit offtopic, but, are SMS free on the US?

Indeed, in my country SMS are not used at all. Too expensive compared to alternatives.

[–] FMT99@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Here I pay 1 euro per month extra for unlimited calls+SMS. Still no one uses it.

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Most plans include unlimited text messaging.

[–] recklessengagement@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

I got my whole family on it, and generally all my closest friends have it as at least a backup. As the other chat apps falter it's been easier to convert people.

[–] duffman@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

So then it seems completely absurd signal is "not interested" in allowing any integration. They could just notify their users communications with WhatsApp users are unsecure.

[–] Hudomi@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I tried switching to Signal a couple years ago but I had to return to WhatsApp since literally no one of my friends and acquaintances did the jump. It wasn't even considered an option by many. So it was either returning to Whatsapp or being cut off from everyone.

If people were a bit more open-minded Signal could be a good alternative. But alas...

[–] notgold@aussie.zone 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

can't have 2 apps installed?

[–] Hudomi@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

It's still installed but it's kind of difficult to use if no one I know is even willing to try.