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[–] Heresy_generator@kbin.social 73 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (46 children)

So... "federation" without control? What's the point?

They stress that a difference between their federation and ActivityPub is that on ActivityPub "your “instance”, or server, determines your community, so your experience depends on which server you join" while for them "On Bluesky, your experience is based on what feeds and accounts you follow, and you can always participate in the global conversation (e.g. breaking news, viral posts, and algorithmic feeds)." and "Moderation on Bluesky is not tied to your server, like it is on Mastodon. Defederation, a way of addressing moderation issues in Mastodon by disconnecting servers, is not as relevant on Bluesky because there are other layers to the system."

The big difference is that I can't choose an instance that blocks/does not interact with the servers loaded with Nazis, terrorists, and/or child abusers? Why the hell is it of such paramount importance to Jack Dorsey that the rest of us are forced to interact with Nazis?

[–] nix@merv.news 5 points 6 months ago (34 children)

? You can block the entire nazi server and you will essentially be defederates from it without relying on your servers admins to do it. This makes it easier to block nazis?

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 20 points 6 months ago (9 children)

So every new user needs to block all the nazi servers themselves before they get a non-nazi feed?

The whole point of joining a server that defederates nasty stuff for you is that you delegate that responsibility to someone you trust to handle moderation for you. Just like you trust community mods or the admins of your instance on Lemmy.

[–] eupraxia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, Bluesky does have "blocklists" maintained by other users that you can opt into, and quite a few popular ones exist with active maintainers who take and act on reports pretty quickly. So you still can delegate moderation responsibilities. One advantage to this is that you can opt into a few blocklists based on what you personally want to block - separate lists exist for hateful bigots, crypto pushers, and so on. I gave it a shot out of curiosity and haven't run into any issues yet, but that's just me.

I still prefer Mastodon for broader AP integration, and I think blocklists aren't discoverable enough outside of word of mouth, but I am curious to see how that turns out for Bluesky. Certainly an improvement over Xitter imo.

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 1 points 6 months ago (3 children)

That still requires the user to do something actively to get a moderated feed. Most users don't want to deal with that.

[–] Plopp@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

But on Mastodon the user has to dig through a bunch of instances to find one that filters out what they don't want to see, and figure out if it's an instance worth joining for other reasons. I'd argue there's probably more work to join Mastodon than to join Bluesky and filter your feed. But I don't use Bluesky so I don't know.

[–] ArghZombies@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

This is pretty standard online though - even regular Google has settings like "Safe Search:On" that you can toggle to moderate your search results.

It really just depends on what the default settings are when you arrive at a service before you start using it, and how obvious and discoverable you make those settings controls.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 months ago

Sure, but that's an easily addressable problem

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