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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago (22 children)

There is a lot of misunderstanding about credit scores posted here.

The purpose of credit scores is to answer only one question:

How good are you at pay back a debt if someone were to loan you some money?

Thats it. Everything on how the score is calculated is weights and measures to service that question.

The reason that making payments on an active loan improves your score, is because it is real proof you are getting money from somewhere (the credit score doesn't care where) and you're choosing to spend that money on an agreed payment on the debt. Lets say I'm a lender and I'm considering giving you money, and I see that someone prior to me make a similar agreement, and you're honoring that agreement to pay, then it gives me a good reason to think you'll also pay on debts you have with me. The reason your score goes down when you pay off your last loan, is because I can't see you still have the money to pay on a new loan. It means you're a (slightly) higher risk because I'll have to take it on faith that where ever you got the money to pay off the last one, you'll also be able to get that money to pay off the one to me. There's no guarantee for that, so its a risk to me, a lender.

Another thing I'm seeing missing in the discussion here is:

"Doing X makes your credit score go down"

Technically true, but many of those things that make it go down only do so for a short time. Maybe a month or two (using modern FICO score system).

There can be arguments as to which inputs they use, and how much each of those inputs affects the score. So much so, rating agencies themselves even change their minds over time. They update what they think is important and downgrade what they think matters less. You've likely heard of a FICO score. Over time there have been SIXTEEN DIFFERENT VERSIONS of what makes a FICO score source. Some of the variation you see when you get your score from different places is those places using slightly newer or older versions of the scoring system.

Unfortunately lots of organizations that have nothing to do with lending you money are choosing to use your credit score for their own systems. I've heard of insurance companies using FICO scores as inputs to how they calculate premiums, which they shouldn't do. Some employers are using these now to filter applicants. Those employers are perverting the credit score system (again, a system just for loaning money) as a measure of trustworthiness or fidelity. I wouldn't mind laws that prevent that as that isn't what credit scores are designed for, and doesn't answer that question.

[–] Nindelofocho@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The first part of what you say is still off even. Its based on other factors like debt to income, income amount and credit utilization. different lenders also use different calculations depending on the type of loan. For example a mortgage wont be the same as an auto loan and theres even a system for renters the scores can vary wildly and really the numbers dont even mean fuck all half the time. Underwriting is a whole career and a company doing lending that knows anything will look at how well you actually pay your obligations and weight it with how much you make, practically ignoring the score itself. Ive seen people with 350s get top tier financing and people with 700s without even a thin file (low history) get completely denied or stupid interest rates.

For reference I havent missed a single payment in my entire life, my credit is damn straight outside of some credit utilization on low limit cards and because of that my score is “mid” i dont really care at all though cause chasing the number will stress you out and you wont benefit much from it if you just make your payments anyways. Ive still gotten approved for most things ive applied for because of making my payments

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Its based on other factors like debt to income, income amount and credit utilization.

You're off on some of your measurements. FICO scores are based on only 5 inputs:

  • payment history (35%)
  • amounts owed (30%)
  • length of credit history (15%)
  • new credit (10%)
  • credit mix (10%).

source

different lenders also use different calculations depending on the type of loan.

I already touched on that with the 16 different types of credit scores: source

Underwriting is a whole career and a company doing lending that knows anything will look at how well you actually pay your obligations and weight it with how much you make, practically ignoring the score itself.

You're right that underwriting is a whole career, but we're not talking about underwriting. We're talking about FICO credit scores. You're bringing in things that aren't credit score, but are factors that lenders use for determining loan worthiness and interest they charge, but that isn't FICO credit scores.

Myself and OP are talking about the price of apples here. You're asking me why an apple pie costs so much. Yes, apples are an ingredient in apple pies but not the only thing that influence the cost of the pie.

[–] Nindelofocho@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

You are correct, I misinterpreted a bit. Sorry for confusion

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