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Collective:

-Regulate Polluting Industries

-Improve insulation in older buildings

-Build more apartments

-Put carbon labels on products

-Mandate higher build quality of manufactured goods

-Require that water pipes have pressure management and active leak detection

-Prioritize public transit over electric cars

-Halt all new road developments and just maintain them until public transit is good enough

-Subsidize Electric cars (second to public transit in funding)

-Establish support networks for people who are using older gadgets/cars/clothing to encourage solutions to make goods last longer

-Build more green spaces

-Create a program to recycle old clothing

-More widespread use of contactless payments

-Ban all fossil fuel ads

-Ban oversized vehicles

-Encourage the use of hatchbacks and sedans

-Towns sign plant based treaty

-Convert animal agriculture land to wild lands

-Ban private jets/yachts

-Design cities as more walkable

-Switch to renewable and nuclear technologies

-Support repairability

-Shut down all oil operations

-Mandate microfibre filters for washing machines

-Force companies to mine minerals from e-waste instead

-Give up half of the planet to nature

-Do everything to prevent and end wars

-Tax the rich and use the money for climate initiatives

-Switch to bidets to save trees

-Switch to super slippery toilets to save water

-Mandate all stoves to be electric

-Reduce concrete in constructions projects and opt for bamboo/wood construction

-Require all office work to be done from home for as much as possible

-Ban discrimination and promote affirmative action so that there isn't lost potential or innovation from disadvantaged groups

-Increase grid interconnections

-Implement waste-to-energy conversions for waste management systems (stopgap solution)

-Build robust high sped rail network and ban flights under 4 hours.

-Require much longer warranties on consumer goods

-Require all software to become open source after the company stops developing the code

-Patents expire after 4 years

-Ban cryptominning

-Increase energy efficient standards with new houses with solar panels mandatory

-Support political parties with green policies

-Boycott fossil fuel banks and switch to green credit unions

Individual:

-Switch to E-sim

-Switch to green burials

-Buy used

-Install geothermal heat pump systems

-Install smart thermostats

-Use shampoo/conditioner bars

-Shop at refillable container stores

-Buy stuff at the local store

-Eat plant based

-Switch to Ecosia

-Recycle

-Give homemade gifts

-Compost

-Be organized

-Avoid synthetic cloths

-Buy reputable carbon credits

-Install Linux on new/old computers

-Pickup litter

-Ride your bicycle instead of the car

-Adopt kids and companions instead

-Start your own garden

-Use older cars for more than 12 years

-Keep phone for longer than 5.5 years (easy to do with fairphone,iphone, pixel, samsung or android phone with unlockable bootloader)

-Buy Fairphones as they're the most repairable and have to 8-10 years of software support

-Buy Framework laptops as they're user repairable upgrade-able

-Use reusable diapers for your infant/toddler

-Buy goods within your continent to avoid cargo ship bunker fuel

-Use refillable water bottles for everywhere you go

-Demand that your investment/retirement program switches to green projects

-Switch to e-documents

-Track your government's climate policy by visiting https://climateactiontracker.org/countries/

I will add more to list as more ideas are thought of.

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[–] NotAtWork@startrek.website 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

-These 4 are basicly Greenwashing:

  • -Switch to Esim
  • -Put carbon labels on products
  • -Switch to Ecosia
  • -Buy reputable carbon credits

-Recycle

  • -It's not "Recycle", it's "Reduce Reuse Recycle" in order of importance, also anything other then metal recycling is effectively useless.

-Buy stuff at the local store

  • -this only helps if the local store is also buying locally.

-Start your own garden

  • -Start your own sustainable garden,
    • -is forward-thinking
    • -values ecosystem support
    • -makes as little negative impact on the earth as possible
    • -works with nature instead of against it
[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Recycling was also confirmed a few years ago to be a total scam, with almost all of it going straight to the landfill.

[–] NotAtWork@startrek.website 3 points 10 months ago

Aluminum and Steel, some kinds of batteries and electronics are worth recycling because extracting and refining new supplies of metals from raw ore is an extremely costly and energy intense process. A good rule of thumb is if you can find it on the periodic table it's worth recycling.

[–] tomi000@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

How couls any of those be labeled greenwashing if the goal is a complete list of possible actions?

Yeah some dont have a huge impact like esim and ecosia, but theyre the better alternatives to things we use anyway.

Carbon labels would make a huge difference, I dont know what you mean there.

Carbon credits are used for greenwashing, because most are not regulated and monitored strictly enough. That doesnt mean carbon credits in general are greenwashing. Buying reputable ones with actual impact definitely helps.

Its sad that many people are kept from donating by the myth that 'it doesnt help anyway' or 'theyre just gonna keep my money'. Sure if you just donate wherever, chances are your money is not used efficiently, but there are a lot of organizations that are reputable and efficient, you just need to do a little research

[–] NotAtWork@startrek.website 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Its important not to give things with low impact the same weight as actions that have a big impact. easy low impact fixes give the appearance of helping but only serve to distract form harder actions that need to be taken.

There is no such thing as a reputable carbon credit, for every ton of CO2 you produce you can pay me to Unburn a ton of CO2. It doesn't do anything to reduce the amount of CO2 produced it just makes it harder to audit the CO2 production and helps to hide the extent of the problem.

[–] tomi000@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What you are talking about is the way companies act using carbon credit to prevent actually taking measures against climate change. It has nothing to do with carbon credits themselves Thats like saying water is bad because someone somewhere posioned a river.

There are a lot of reputable climate programs that actually provably reduce co2 emissions by the claimed amounts, and Im not talking about 'Ill give you 100$ to not burn 1t of co2 so you burn it tomorrow' projects. If I as a private person buy 10t of carbon credit, that doesnt mean I have to burn 10t of CO2 before.

[–] NotAtWork@startrek.website 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Carbon credits is a way to treat companies with kid gloves and ask them nicely not to destroy the planet. Instead we should just have hard well enforced regulations and emissions caps. not "Cap and Trade", "Cap or Else", If a company consistently can't meet emissions targets Nationalize it pierce the cooperate veil and prosecute its management.

[–] tomi000@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You didnt even read my comment, did you? Also, you should do some research about carbon credits if youre gonna start a discussion about them because it seems you dont really know what those are

[–] NotAtWork@startrek.website 1 points 10 months ago

Anything that a carbon credit program reduces could be done without the carbon credit, but there are many carbon credit programs that accomplish nothing except acting as a smokescreen.

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Carbon credits are bullshit. Like, what are you actually paying for? No one is taking the carbon in the atmosphere and stuffing it into little jars.

If it’s a tree planting initiative, that’s a great idea, but a lengthy process, and the moment that tree gets cut down to make room for something else, or if there’s a forest fire, the effort is undone.

Honestly, carbon credits are mostly a feel-good measure to make people feel better about consumption from a particular source. It’s a fantastic way for a company to market themselves as caring for the environment while simultaneously destroying it - companies only care about profit, and will happily burn the planet if it makes them money.

If you truly want to make a difference, consume as little as you can get away with.

[–] tomi000@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I did some research into the matter a few months back. Before, I held the same prejudices and have only heard carbon credits were a way for companies to keep polluting without consequences. While it is true that carbon credits get misused for that, doesnt mean all carbon credits are like that.

There are a lot of projects that get monitored appropriately and prove their actual impact. There are principles like additionality, permanence, singularity by which you can judge if a given project is actually beneficial.

Tree planting initiatives for example dont satisfy the permanence principle and are therefore not considered effective for carbon compensation.

Your last sentence definitely holds true, but not all emissions are evitable, like I need to live in a home with heating, some people need to drive to work. People in developing countries cant even afford to think about reducing their emissions. Additional measures for reducing emissions are definitely necessary. Unfortunately the current regulations for those are too vulnerable to exploitation.

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I can definitely believe that there are carbon credit projects that are beneficial in the long-term, hell I don't even write off reforestation completely (although I know that it's a lot more complicated than chucking some saplings in the ground and calling it a day), but the question is how much of the carbon credit programmes are actually beneficial? This article by The Guardian suggests that the majority of the top 50 programmes aren't.

some people need to drive to work

A bit off topic, but this one kind of strikes a note on a npersonal level with me. I personally think we should punish companies that don't offer WFH where it makes sense.

My roomie for example is a truck driver. It would be impossible for him to work from home. I'm a software developer, and I do work from home, but a lot of companies in my industry are pushing for a return to office, and even removing the option to work from home altogether. We all saw the immediate effects the covid restrictions had on the environment. I know it's not feasible for everyone to work from home, but not letting people work from home, when their job could be done remotely, ought be a finable offense.

The thing is, there is no accountability for corporations. They are free to do more or less as they please, and when they do get caught with egg on their face, the fines are usually just a light slap on the wrist. Conversely, if a private individual attempted the same things, they'd get hit with legal fees and fines that'd take them into bankruptcy.

We'll never see a change until there's some sort of equality between the two.

[–] tomi000@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yeah definitely, but the number of people working from home rose immensely thanks to covid, before it was more or less unthinkable. I think in the next few years there will be some major changes regarding work conditions, lets hope for the best.

Anyway, final thought on carbon credits: I didnt mean to imply that the majority or even the average program behind carbon credits is beneficial, and I dont think it is relevant for the point from my first comment. OPs suggestion was buying carbon credits for additional impact, and as long as you do that correctly (i.e. buying those that are beneficial) it helps and is not greenwashing.

[–] NotAtWork@startrek.website 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

there is no accountability for corporations.

If we start replacing fines with Capital punishment for the C-Suite and board of directors, we would get more progress. White color crimes affect more victims, and they have more robust evidence then most murders so wrongful convictions will be lower also.