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You're right. I don't believe you, and believe you less now lol. The UN might not have anything to do with your case.
The fact you're trying to downplay vandalism using paint suggests there are elements of this you're downplaying too. There's a pattern emerging...
5 mins ago, you were just standing there with a sign. Now it's 30 mins of blocking the freeway lol.
Next thing we know, you'll be admitting that blocking emergency vehicles was on the list too. It wouldn't be 150 pages of car licence plates. I suspect there are lots of other details which help justify the charges and that's why you're not posting the actual charges lol. So what do the other pages say?
Deceiving people only works in an echo chamber. We need people to be upfront, because the people we need to convince are going to be making the same comments as I am doing now.
Some reading comprehension could work wonders. They said that there was less paperwork for the action with the paint than the protest march. And why do you have to suck off the British government, which by the way is well known for repression of protests?
Where did I write that I support the UK government?
I already proved op was trying to deceive us a bit. And what didn't I read properly? I never said anywhere there was MORE paperwork for the vandalism (and that should be a red-flag to you, that you're ignoring, that suggests OP is lying about the details)
Do you seriously think op got served a massive 150 pages (more than a vandalism charge, and more than the trump indictment) because they simply blocked a freeway? Op is still holding back major details and you're embracing their bullshit. That's not helpful for the pro-environment cause.
If you think they're right, ask to see more information as it will prove the UK government is strong arming them. That's all we need. Not plausibly unrelated news report. By fighting with me for asking for basic PROOF, you're setting us up in a position to make us ALL look like idiots, and giving ammunition to the other side, when it's discovered what really happened.
I'm simply asking for the full information. Not sure why you're attacking me for asking (this shouldn't be a trump-like echo chamber). I'll reiterate that I don't believe op. I suspect the full extent of these criminal charges are far beyond holding a sign.
I think at this point you might have been treated as hostile for the perceived tone in which you started your questioning. Though healthy skepticism is a good thing, you might have gone about it in a different way and got better results.
As an outside observer I would say that your hostility was met with hostility. You often get what you give, which is a good reason to be critical of your own writing. You can do better next time, please try.
You don't sound like you live in the UK. If that's the case, I would recommend you go learn about the 2022 Police and Sentencing Act, which is a ridiculously Draconian piece of legislation that clamps down on people's right to protest. Many human rights bodies have raised concerns about it, precisely because of the kind of disproportionate response to cases like OP's.
I've withheld information in that I haven't provided you with details of an ongoing legal case? Idk the legal ramifications of that and I never said I was just holding a sign, it says "protest march" in the title. I'm not going to spend my free time photographing my legal documents to prove that I'm not lying because what would the point be? Even if I were lying, I have linked proof of all the awful repressive shit happening, it's not really about me. Also "The UN might not have anything to do with your case" but the linked report specifically references people getting extreme punishments for the same crime of a march. I'm not trying to "deceive" you, I'm just not wasting my time arguing with strangers on the internet about if I'm lying or not. Government suck, get your priorities in order xoxo