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[–] Deemo 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This might sound silly but assuming you are using firefox or even safari how will this proposal affect these browsers. Only thing I can currently think of is banking sites (on android) would force you to use chrome and check play integrity (safteynet) to block acess.

At the end of the day won't this only affect people using Google chrome? (Forks of chrome, firefox, safari could by pass the issue)?

Sorry if I seem a bit ignorant

[–] spark947@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Firefox could always spoof the standard to maintain compatibility.

[–] pacoboyd@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If it could be spoofed easily, wouldn't that defeat the point?

I mean you can't just "spoof" a ssl cert or private ssh key, I have to assume this is at least that good.

You're relying on the device to provide a signal of authenticity with this model. Firefox can simply say it's authentic. However this will just lead to any signals from Firefox being ignored by any site... So Firefox would actually just need to spoof whatever signals Chrome is using... And thanks to Chromium being open source that shouldn't be too hard. If it's a device ID or mac address that's being used to show uniqueness, that can be randomized and presented to sites...

I haven't looked at the spec... and from my understanding the Spec isn't even finalized yet... I could be wrong. But It's certainly not going to be a case that each webhost has a complete list of ssl certs from every client... That's never going to happen. It could be that a cert is issued to Apple and Google, and they sub-cert out to individual devices for identities. Not sure what would stop firefox from just pulling a glut of certs and rotating them out regularly.

[–] Deemo 1 points 1 year ago
[–] Reliant1087@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Mozilla is working on their own v3, without a lot of the restrictions Google has added. I think you can already try out the relevant mode in Firefox.

[–] Deemo 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On Firefox Nightly looks like they have v3 enabled

[–] Reliant1087@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah. I saw the announcement in the nightly channel couple of days ago. They're letting extension makers port their add-ons as well in advance.

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, as far as i understand, the browser needs to support the API. But firefox will implement it nonetheless after some protest, or no money from Google anymore.