I'm not up to snuff on NATO regulations. As I understand it, if a NATO nation gets attacked, the rest of them are obliged to defend, correct? What happens if that nation is "the aggressor". Like in this situation if Poland were to do a first strike against Belarus or Russia and they respond attacking Poland, is the rest of NATO obliged to help defend Poland?

[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No, NATO doesn't interfere if a member starts a war. It's a defensive treaty. That said, Poland alone wouldn't be able to do much, and democracies rarely openly declare war.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

However what if a NATO country starts a war with Belarus, and then Russia attacks the NATO country?

The NATO country would never have initiated a war with Russia, they would have initiated it with Belarus.

Does a NATO country automatically become vulnerable if they have any wars currently ongoing? Because that would mean Russia could have attacked America during the war in Afghanistan and NATO would not have been able to get involved.

[–] DauntingFlamingo@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I had a deployment with Polish soldiers. They are a modern and extremely capable defensive force. It would likely turn into the same thing we're seeing in Ukraine (smaller force that is well trained and better supplied vs sending a lot of bodies and old tech). I don't think we'll ever see a Polish led force invading Belarus or Russia without a massive NATO backing and a lot of foreign units already on the way to support them. Defensively, they will fuck you up. Offensively, they don't have the man power to go deep into enemy territory.

The Polish have historical grudges with Russia and are chomping at the bit to hurt some Russians. It is probably NATO that is holding them back from sending units to Ukraine

[–] Milan@feddit.nl -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As long as an attack happens on NATO territory, it's considered an act of war. Even if the NATO country is the aggressor. Ideally the aggressing country would be suspended before they could invoke article 5.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your comment belies your ignorance of how NATO works.

[–] Milan@feddit.nl 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Enlighten me.

[–] takeda@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

PP in all examples intermixes NATO with US military.

In its history NATO article 5 was invoked only once.