EUV is complex, unlike nuclear weapons and energy, 5G, space stations, probes to the dark side of the moon and hypersonic missiles. Those things are simple.

smuglord

[–] u_tamtam@programming.dev 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

EUV is complex. And more so than the accomplishments you mentioned: nuclear weapons were cracked in the 1940's, probe moon landings in the 50's and space stations in the 70's. All have since been reproduced by several nations in isolation. That is not the case of state of the art lithography. No single nation "owns" it because it truly is a multinational endeavor.

(And actual hypersonic missiles haven't made it to the battlefield, and 5G is about commoditization and standardization, by the ITU, an organ of the united nations, so I'm not sure exactly how that adds to your rhetoric)

smuglord

Way to put your ignorance on display.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Way to put your ignorance on display.

smuglord

Lecturing me about ignorance while deliberately misrepresenting bleeding edge next generation nuclear reactors and probes to the dark side of the moon as old tech.

American hypersonics can't even make it out of testing and Chinese ones are being deployed on warships already.

Weak shit for someone pretending to argue from a position of knowledge

[–] u_tamtam@programming.dev 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Lecturing me about ignorance

Fair, how about you enlighten me about the present topic, then, instead of digressing? It does look like deflection and insults doesn't make it prettier.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not digressing at all. Your argument is that EUV tech is somehow exceptionally complex, therefore China cannot create it's own version in a reasonable time frame. The direct response to that claim is to point to examples of complex technologies that China has mastered and advanced.

China leads the world in new patents and has mastered several technologies which even America has not. Given that the current leading purveyors of EUV are the frickin Dutch, not the Americans, there's no basis to claim that EUV is exceptionally complex such that the world's leading scientific and econmic power cannot reproduce it.

[–] u_tamtam@programming.dev 2 points 9 months ago

Same response as https://programming.dev/comment/5908167 ; I never wrote that China cannot create it's own version, but that it will likely take some time. Reasons for this complexity are also mentioned in that post.

I get where your impression comes from, but I highly recommend watching the video about EUV's history (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmgkV83OhHA) to better weight the contribution of every (international) party.

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 1 points 8 months ago

Russia has used dozens of hypersonic missiles in Ukraine and destroyed American Patriot Missile Defense systems with them