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Go fuck yourself with a fork if 1139, or even 500 isn't a mass murder in your dictionary, I don't feel like I want to talk to you. You don't help palestinians by downplaying what hamas bastards did to jews while enjoying golf courses in Quatar.
Fuck yourself first asshole they used this excuse to declare a genocide and it comes out Israeli leadership fucking funded Hamas and allowed this shit to happen.
Hamas sucks but everything they did has Israeli hands helping and now Israeli hands are committing genocide.
How fuckin stupid are you?
You'd go to excuse Hamas, won't you?
Get. Lost. Already.
Yes i absolutely will excuse Hamas. They're a rabid angry abused dog taunted and then their owner secretly unlocked the fence and cried "what a bad dog look what it did to me!"
Israel is the start and end of this Hamas is a pawn. Fuck off idiot.
You are honest about that. I'd give you that. It feels refreshing to find an opponent who stays by their ideals. Thinking you are terminally wrong, I respect you still being there.
Excuse Hamas for what?
Launching an attack on a white supremacist settler-colonialist state that has been waging war on Palestinians since 1949?
I think it is you that needs to get lost.
Killing a thousand of people is ok, right?
You know you can hate both Hamas and Israeli monsters?
Not keeping up with current events, are you?
Or are you just so desperate to cling to your pro-Israeli narrative that you will simply ignore them?
Do you suggest I've hallucinated all these killings done by Hamas? They did indeed happened. There are still hostages kept by them in Gaza.
IDF isn't right using that as a reason to murder 10x more. Netanyahu should be roped on the closest tree branch if you'd ask me. But israelis doing these crimes don't excuse Hamas's attack. It is still a morbid act of terror that should be remembered and acted upon.
It's down to below your hysterical "thousands" now, apologist... you know what that means? It means Hamas showed far more restraint during their attack than Israel has in all it's genocidal existence.
You can shove your "let's-pretend-this-is-all-Netenyahu's-fault" narrative where the sun don't shine. Israel has been a genocidal white supremacist settler-colonialist state since the day it was created.
No. It thoroughly justifies Hamas's attack. It would still be justified if Hamas carried out ten similar attacks. Israel is a white supremacist settler-colonialist state - the use of force against it is justified by default.
I'd cheer you for being so stubborn. It sure needs a lot of effort to stay this way.
So with that much restraint it means their act of terror is justified? That they could freely kill as long as they don't go off IFD's treshold? Hamas are monsters and I'm surprised you are covering their crimes.
Palestinians from Gaza had it better than what they have now, right? Even if you could just unthink Israel as a country, better solution could've been to fight for their rights before october '23. And it's still the truth. Undoing the country that's here for 50+ years is not on the table, but bullying it into respecting palestinians is. Once that fucking crusade ends.
No, Netanyahu isn't the only one responsible for that, yet he's the face of that offensive, and should be charged accordingly.
You've lost me there buddy. I can't approve such attacks, even if they are said to be against an opressor. Nope. Hamas are bastards, end of the line.
TLDR - you'd prefer Palestinians to accept their extermination quietly so that liberals like you can pretend your precious evil empire isn't an evil empire.
Oh, really? And who is going to "bully" the genocidal white supremacist settler-colonialist state like this? The largest and most successful white supremacist settler-colonialist state of them all?
You find that fantasy quite convenient, don't you?
Of course you can't - you love the oppressor and hate the oppressed... just like ole' Malcom X said.
Let us rewind back to times before this attack.
What's your solution is? Is it realistic?
Don't need a time machine, Clyde - the solution is still the same. Dismantle the white supremacist settler-colonialist state that is the cause of the conflict.
Do tell... were you also around in the 80s to tell people how dismantling the Apartheid-state in South Africa was "unrealistic?"
I wasn't. But would you do with all these people living there for the last fifty years? It's easier to imagine that in crimean case where it was only a decade at most, you can claim all property-related papers illigitimate since they were approved by an illigitimate government, and here it goes... But in Israel itso happens this administration lasted for two, three generations, and wasn't questioned since that. How to go about that? Would you, like, revoke the citizenship of that country from those born there? Would you revoke their property rights to homes they lived in for 20+ years? And are regular people there responible for their country being an apartheid state?
How exactly you see it happening?
Guess you'd think I'm a stupid israeli apologist, okay. So to conserve my and your time, can you write your solution to that problem short, like in five bullet points? What would you do if you have ultimate power over this plot of land?
That's not up to me, is it? That's for Palestinians and ex-Israelis to decide.
What would be the point of revoking the citizenship of a state that doesn't exist any more?
I'm assuming you're not talking about people like this?
What did you think we mean when we say Israel is a white supremacist settler colonialist state?
You're asking the wrong questions, Clyde. A better question would be... would all the Palestinian villages that the Israelis destroyed and tried to erase from history be rebuilt?
Yes. To what degree such responsibility extends can be determined on a case by case basis, but the short answer is... yes. For instance, the shareholders in Israeli corporations are vastly, vastly more responsible than simply somebody who was coerced into doing two years of military service in the IDF - and that extends to people outside of Israel, too.
I literally responded to that in the very next sentence. Until the IDF counts the people their own fire killed, and the ones who died in the crossfire, both of which exist in significant numbers, we have no evidence Hamas did anything close to mass murder. Also that 1139 is counting the 373 security force people, which are legitimate military targets.
So ~800 civilians dead still, right?
You... just ignored everything I said except the numbers right?
No?
You mean these 800-something people died in a cross-fire? I feel like I don't uderstand you.
The crossfire, reckless (sometimes deliberate when they were taken hostage) IDF fire and Hamas war crimes. These three categories all contain significant numbers of people, so until we know who killed how many and where there are no grounds to claim Hamas committed mass murder.