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NYC MTA sets Manhattan congestion price at $15 for most vehicles, just one MTA vote left before the first congestion pricing in North America (www.planetizen.com)

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New York City’s congestion pricing program is moving forward with a $15 fee on passenger vehicles, reports Stephen Nessen in Gothamist, after the MTA board voted to approve it. The program now enters a 60-day public comment period before a final vote.

Nessen points out that “The stakes are high for the program. Congestion pricing has been successfully implemented in other countries. But the MTA’s program represents the first effort in the United States to impose a fee to reduce gridlock.” Additionally, “The tolls are required by law to back $15 billion worth of loans, which accounts for nearly a third of the MTA's 2020-2024 construction program.”

The program includes exemptions and fare discounts for low-income drivers, emergency vehicles, and drivers who already pay certain tolls. “Small trucks, buses and vans face a $24 charge during those hours, while large trucks, including big rigs, will have to pay $36. Motorcycles will be tolled a $7.50 daytime fee.” The fee is reduced by 75 percent during nighttime hours.

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[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Motorcycles are still FAR noisier than cars, even brand new with the OEM exhaust. I don't think my stock bike is overly obnoxious, but it's certainly the noisiest vehicle around most of the time. Modern cars you don't even necessarily notice the engine from further than a few feet away.

Also, motorcycles have lower carbon emissions than most cars, but higher everything else. Can't exactly fit a catalytic converter on there. NOx, fine particulates, etc, are all much worse than a car's IIRC.

In the end these factors don't matter much because motorcycles in the West are mostly a hobby, so there's typically not enough of us to be a huge societal problem. However, if I'm going in the city I usually opt for my ebike because I live close enough and it doesn't make sense to annoy everyone with my noisy dinosaur fart machine.

[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You're partially correct, older bikes didn't have catalytic converters. Compliance with Euro 5 means all new models past... 2018 I think, must have one equipped.

As for noise, 75db is louder than a modern car, but we don't have room onboard to dissipate a lot of the sound energy like a car's long, standing-wave tuned exhaust does.

I don't have a car, just a bicycle and motorcycle. I like them both, though I trust my bicycle more when there's a blizzard.

P.s. I also like fortnine videos, he's mostly correct (though dead wrong about physicists being the grownup version of engineers) but look at the data for yourself. Keep in mind all these values are far, far lower than they used to be. We shouldn't stop striving for better, but we should keep things in perspective too: https://www.bts.gov/content/estimated-national-average-vehicle-emissions-rates-vehicle-vehicle-type-using-gasoline-and