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Sales targets meant to ensure automakers ramp up EV production to keep up with demand, says source

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[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The "vast amounts of raw material" used in battery manufacturing are nothing compared to the raw petroleum required to fuel and lubricate an ICE for it's lifetime. Also the metals used in batteries can be nearly 100% recycled, forever, once an industry gets built up around it. We could do it today but the process as it is, is energy intense (solved by using renewable energy sources). If the rest of the vehicle was designed by non-shitheads it's possible to have a car that can be economically torn down and recycled in a closed loop like beer cans and bottles.

But no ethically designed car will ever be sold in Canada for the same reason that walkable cities and mass transit will never be prioritized. Crooked, ineffective politicians and a crazy vocal right wing.

[–] Hypx@kbin.social 0 points 9 months ago

That's actually a dubious claim, given how much fossil fuels are needed in the mining and production of battery related materials. Same is true of battery recycling. It also needs significant amounts of fossil fuels.

But the main point is that the alternatives, such as e-fuels or hydrogen, require nearly zero fossil fuels or problematic raw materials. Even steel can be made from hydrogen-based reduction instead of needing fossil fuels. So it is a massive improvement over BEVs, in a way that BEVs probably can never hope to match.

The ideal solution will always be getting rid of the car entirely. We should always be pushing all alternatives. But we should not be trapped in the "EV now!" mentality for the car itself. It is not really solving any problem except for a minor reduction in oil consumption.