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This hill worth dying on? How many are there in the world? I may be way wrong, but I'd imagine the CO2 output of these things is a drop in the global bucket.
If you drill into the next article and look at the chart, it looks like we're talking about one dude's yachts, plural. And he's a massive outlier.
Easy to say, "Fuck the billionaires! Fuck their feelings!" but banning anything costs political capitol as well as time and money.
I'm not going to piss myself off coming up with right-wing talking points, but we all know damn well there would be a dozen forms of shit fit. "Now the libs want to take your boat! Guess you don't deserve to spend your hard-earned money without their approval!"
And for dubious benefit we're going up against the very people who have the time and money to fight this? We got better, more impactful and practical, work to do than fight a handful of billionaires over a handful of boats.
Everything counts at this point, we can't afford to treat this edge case differently. Every single one of us needs to make efforts and take action. Some, a lot more than others for sure but every single action counts. A single dude polluting more than millions of people is not acceptable, it's about sending the message that we will all be affected by climate change.
No, everything does not count at this point. We are at war for the fate of our species, and I don't think that's overstating the point.
People are emotional creatures, not logical. This is Sales 101. You sell emotions, not facts. That's how you convince people, motivate people, bend them to your will. "Power to the Righteous People's Cause!" is failed, Cold War, communist propaganda.
Your post is emotional. Mine is, I feel, logical.
For all the reasons I outlined above, banning super yachts is a waste of political capital, emotional capital if you will.
We would be handing the billionaires a political win, a "meme" win, losing "hearts and minds", for very little benefit. And they have an outsized voice, yes? And we intend to antagonize them in this fashion?
If I'm buck naked and going up against the goddamned Batman, I'm shooting him in the face, not kicking his kneecap.
Tbf i don't think anyone has their feelings in mind. Not even to fuck'em.
This is why violence is the only reasonable response.
The fashion industry has more emissions than the entire shipping industry
Imma need some sources on that one, but I've seen some crazy, non-intuitive shit in my time.