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[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Not a shock knowing the shootings in USA. No politician wants to change these gun issues so this will continue.

[–] cheesebag@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Excuse me, NO politician? Not Lucy McBath (D-Ga) who literally ran on gun control to flip her seat after her 17 yo son was shot to death by a white man over a noise complaint? Not "yes I will take your guns" Beto ORourke? Not literally-survived-being-shot -in-the-face Gabby Giffords?

You completely undermine these anti-gun politicians & the work they do when you deny they even exist.

[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago (3 children)

No politician wants to change these gun issues so this will continue.

Because they know that to try would be political suicide. So much of the US population fetishizes gun ownership and makes it a corner stone of their personality that it is basically impossible to change.

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don't think it's even because of that. About 70% of Americans support measures like psychiatric evaluations or waiting periods, maybe even more. NRA is also not that powerful as a lobbyist, most politicians would be fine without it's support. The only issue is that it would require some actual work and they wouldn't gain anything from it and American politicians simply aren't used to doing anything useful anymore.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah but if that was the case then good laws would have been introduced in the past.

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 1 points 11 months ago

There were. Last example I can think of was Obamacare. It was far from true reform but it did help a lot of people. Before that politicians did introduce social security, a lot of civil rights, some environmental policies and so on. It's not all the laws you have today were introduces 200 years ago. And if you mean gun laws specifically I simply think it wasn't such a big issue back then. It's almost like gun issue in US started growing as politics got taken over by corporations and the general decline began.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I guess it's time for some political suicide oh about forever ago

[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Even if a law was passed it would be repealed as soon as a new party was in power or nullified by the supreme court due to the 2nd amendment.

The 2nd amendment needs to change and that is now impossible.

The US founding fathers recognised that the constitution would need to be constantly updated as times changed but it has become a holy document and religious text for the cult of USA: The Greatest Country on Earth!!!.

Multiple other countries have reached the point with their own mass shootings and said enough is enough and restricted firearms. But any outside example is rejected in the USA because the USA is different because (insert trite reason).

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 4 points 11 months ago

Even if a law was passed it would be repealed as soon as a new party was in power

Please stop repeating that. In every democracy in the world the governing parties change every couple of years and they do not simply repeal all the laws passed by the previous government. This is just a stupid excuse used by US parties no to do anything. Why people believe it is beyond me.

[–] StopSpazzing@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

2nd amendment is fine, it's the first half of it that's conveniently ignored and no one seems to care.

[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

The second half of your sentence shows the first half is false.

[–] cheesebag@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

BS, there are plenty of federal politicians who promote gun control, and there are even more state politicians who support it, as evidenced by the 3 states (CO, WA, MD) who passed gun control measures in 2023 alone .

When you say "no one's doing this & never will", you're completely undermine the people who literally are doing this right now.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 4 points 11 months ago

Will, you see they need their guns and they can't possibly have any coherent gun laws because of an old piece of paper written hundreds of years ago. It all makes perfect sense and isn't in any way stupid at all.

The law was made back when war was conducted by everyone standing in a field and shooting in the approximate direction of the opposing force, and eventually hitting someone. Just maybe the constitution is out of date now? Just a radical thought.