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[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 47 points 1 year ago (60 children)

The infrastructure isn't there. I live in an apartment (and likely will for the foreseeable future), and there are no chargers here.

The option of a (practical) electric car does not exist for a sizeable portion of the country. The fact that they're really expensive is actually secondary considering they're just a non-starter without the infrastructure.

[–] joshhsoj1902@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

This isn't an unsolvable problem though given demand.

Assuming you're in an appartment with dedicated parking, it's not crazy difficult or expensive to install some lvl 2 chargers, the real blocker here is demand, if residents aren't demanding it the building isn't going to supply it.

If you're stuck with street parking, you're right, your use case isn't best suited for EVs right now. But this case also isn't a huge portion of vehicle owners, so it doesn't seem like justification to stop rollout.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'd be curious to see real stats about how many folks in the US have a car and any practical access to a charger, even if somehow we convinced landlords everywhere to install chargers or the govt footed that bill entirely. I suspect it isn't the minority you think given the current housing situation in the country.

Even so, we seem agreed that a massive infrastructure improvement would be needed to make this at all practical. It looks a lot like pie in the sky to me.

Of course the elephant in the room is that the battery technology is the more overarching issue. I don't need a gas station in my parking lot because it takes me about 3 minutes to fill the car with gas. If it took 3 minutes to charge an electric car, they would be closer to parity. Currently they are far, far away.

Is it possible to get around some of that issue by changing tactics / planning ahead for longer trips and trying to secure a full charge by then? Possibly, but not practically. I'd also argue that technologies that ask people to change established behavior without benefit tend to fail (and there is no direct benefit to the consumer with an electric car).

[–] joshhsoj1902@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure I agree there is a massive infrastructure need. The average American could keep their EV charged today with a standard 120v outlet.

I don't have numbers for how any car owners park their car overnight somewhere that has access to a 120v plug, but it would surprise me if it was less than 50%.

Batteries are fine today and I lay getting better, fast charging is nice to have, but definitely not needed.

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