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[–] pelicans_plight@lemmy.world 76 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Great, so I guess the future of terrorism will be fueled by people learning programming and figuring out how to make emps so they can send the murder robots back to where they came from. At this point one of the biggest security threats to the U.S. and for that matter the entire world is the extremely low I.Q. of every one that is supposed to be protecting this world. But I think they do this all on purpose, I mean the day the Pentagon created ISIS was probably their proudest day.

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The real problem (and the thing that will destroy society) is boomer pride. I've said this for a long time, they're in power now and they are terrified to admit that they don't understand technology.

So they'll make the wrong decisions, act confident and the future will pay the tab for their cowardice, driven solely by pride/fear.

[–] primal_buddhist@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Boomers have been in power for a long long time and the technology we are debating is as a result of their investment and prioritisation. So am not sure they are very afraid of it.

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

I didn't say they were afraid of the technology, I said they were afraid to admit that they don't understand it enough to legislate it. Their hubris in trying to preset a confident facade in response to something they can't comprehend is what will end us.

[–] zaphod@feddit.de 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Great, so I guess the future of terrorism will be fueled by people learning programming and figuring out how to make emps so they can send the murder robots back to where they came from.

Eh, they could've done that without AI for like two decades now. I suppose the drones would crashland in a rather destructive way due to the EMP, which might also fry some of the electronics rendering the drone useless without access to replacement components.

[–] pelicans_plight@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I hope so, but I was born with an extremely good sense of trajectory and I also know how to use nets. So lets just hope I'm superhuman and the only one who possesses these powers.

Edit; I'm being a little extreme here because I heavily disagree with the way everything in this world is being run. So I'm giving a little push back on this subject that I'm wholly against. I do have a lot of manufacturing experience, and I would hope any killer robots governments produce would be extremely shielded against EMPs, but that is not my field, and I have no idea if shielding a remote controlled robot from EMPs is even possible?

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The movie Small Soldiers is totally fiction, but the one part of that movie that made "sense" was that because the toy robots were so small, they had basically no shielding whatsoever, so the protagonist just had to haul a large wrench/ spanner up a utility pole, and connect the positive and negative terminals on the pole transformer. It blew up of course, and blew the protagonist off the pole IIRC. That also caused a small (2-3 city block diameter) EMP that shut down the malfunctioning soldier robots.

I realize this is a total fantasy/ fictional story, but it did highlight the major flaw in these drones. You can either have them small, lightweight, and inexpensive, or you can put the shielding on. In almost all cases when humans are involved, we don't spend the extra $$$ and mass to properly shield ourselves from the sun, much less other sources of radiation. This leads me to believe that we wouldn't bother shielding these low cost drones.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Cross the lines, also not sure if it would really work.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Emps are not hard to make, they won't however work on hardened systems like the US military uses.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Is there a way to create an EMP without a nuclear weapon? Because if that's what they have to develop, we have bigger things to worry about.

[–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago

Your comment got me curious about what would be the easiest way to make a homemade emp. Business Insider of all things has got us all covered, even if that business may be antithetical to business insiders pro capitalistic agenda.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Yeah very easy ways, one of the most common ways to cheat a slot machine is with a localized emp device to convince the machine you're adding tokens.

[–] mlaga97@lemmy.mlaga97.space 3 points 11 months ago

Is there a way to create an EMP without a nuclear weapon?

There are several other ways, yes.

[–] profdc9@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago
[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

One way involves replacing the flash with an antenna on an old camera flash. It's not strong enough to fry electronics, but your phone might need anything from a reboot to a factory reset to servicing if it's in range when that goes off.

I think the difficulty for EMPs comes from the device itself being an electronic, so the more effective the pulse it can give, the more likely it will fry its own circuits. Though if you know the target device well, you can target the frequencies it is vulnerable to, which could be easier on your own device, plus everything else in range that don't resonate on the same frequencies as the target.

Tesla apparently built (designed?) a device that could fry a whole city with a massive lighting strike using just 6 transmitters located in various locations on the planet. If that's true, I think it means it's possible to create an EMP stronger than a nuke's that doesn't have to destroy itself in the process, but it would be a massive infrastructure project spanning multiple countries. There was speculation that massive antenna arrays (like HAARP) might be able to accomplish similar from a single location, but that came out of the conspiracy theory side of the world, so take that with a grain of salt (and apply that to the original Tesla invention also).

[–] criticalthreshold@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

A true autonomous system would have Integrated image recognition chips on the drones themselves, and hardening against any EM interference. They would not have any comms to their 'mothership' once deployed.

[–] FreshProduceAndShit@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

so I guess the future of terrorism will be fueled by people learning programming and figuring out how to make emps

Honestly the terrorists will just figure out what masks to wear to get the robots to think they're friendly/commanders, then turn the guns around on our guys

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

If they just send them back it would be some murderous ping pong game.