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Chargers arent really an issue. Not sure why this is consistently the focus.
Grid level battery storage is what we need. The cars can a day between charging. Charge them at home. But we effectively need to long term reduce the environmental impacts of electricity to 0. We need grid level storage to do so.
I've been driving an electric for 3 years. I maybe charge outside of the house (slow, trickle charge overnight) 12x a year. Its just not neccessary.
Public chargers have two huge advantages:
The result of building them will be to shift some amount of transport away from burning fossil fuels.
by public, you mean like a gas station? a private business that serves the public
or do you mean public like the interstate system is public? a public service funded by taxes
More like gas stations and toll roads. They're not providing free-as-in-beer electricity
These are both edge cases and shouldn't be the focus of policy. Straight up. Its a complete mistake to prioritize these as investments.
We have a grid, the VAST majority of electric car owners have access to outlets, we should be focusing on grid level storage, not charging networks.
A third of Americans rent their home, that's not an edge case.
Renting a home means you have access to a wall socket.
Yes, those are edge cases.
You're out of touch, not just with where we are, but where we need to be.
Adding to charging networks is a waste of resources. We need battery storage at grid level. It's more important and a higher priority.
Not everyone just drives a bit and returns home each day.
What percentage don't?
More than 0%, therefore DC fast chargers are needed.
this is true and it's a fact that most people do just drive a bit and return home each day
When it comes to building DC chargers, the relevant question is "does anybody ever drive more than 100 miles from home in this area?"
Even if 99% of your trips are near home, you still need DC chargers for the rest.
Maybe I'm out of the loop! Figured they'd phase it in. Something like:
When the plan is everyone gets 100% coverage, you're absolutely right. We'll need chargers every 50 miles
Having a broad charger system would facilitate commercial electric transport which is where the biggest gains can be made in terms of reducing car climate impact.
Agree, but that's a very very very different kind of network than what we're talking about.