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I think the best course of action for China is lower the tone and try to have some business with Taiwan (I don't know if they have it now) and from there go up until both side become partners.
Well they basically tried that already. They tried to strike up a trade agreement with the then ruling conservative power that would give China significant economic and thus political influence. But the Taiwanese people were smart enough to see through that. There was a popular uprising, the legislative building got occupied by student protestors, the agreement was retracted and the then president lost the next election in a landslide.
The DPP received significant funding from the US National Endowment for Democracy during that time. Coincidence? Probably not...
Same meddling shit that happened in Ukraine with Euromaidan and in China with Tiananmen Square. Even the US PsyOps teams themselves admit that they were responsible for those events.
I'd love to say that the Taiwanese people themselves came to the conclusion, but time and time again the US has showed that the people's choice isn't something they really respect abroad.
Sure, buddy...
Tsai Ing-wen has very close ties to the NED:
https://www.ned.org/president-tsai-ing-wen-of-taiwan-receives-ned-democracy-service-medal/
https://english.president.gov.tw/News/6257
In these statements, it is clear that the NED has given significant support to Tsai Ing-wen and the DPP. Meanwhile, NED funding in East Asia is a fact. It's blatant intervention into foreign democracies through American state-backed actors.
The following is a statement by the PRC's Foreign Ministry, so feel free to ignore the colour commentary, but the details of who and where the NED funds are accurate. https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/zxxx_662805/202205/t20220507_10683090.html
Meanwhile, the US 4th Psyop's Division literally has released a public video claiming responsibility for orchestrating events in Euromaidan 2014 and Tiananmen Square 1989: https://youtu.be/VA4e0NqyYMw?si=t8ZSix96y2cTmUVJ
That video correlates strongly with the statements made by the Foreign Ministry of the PRC.
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The DPP wasn't even a very instrumental actor in the sunflower movement. It was largely student led and of those people that participated in it that went into politics, most went to different smaller parties. I lived in the country during the time that happened and to claim that foreign interference played any meaningful role is just absurd on its face. Maybe don't try patronizing entire populaces from afar as if they somehow weren't able to make their own decisions and come to their own conclusions.
The NED has been funding these types of groups for decades and with millions of dollars. If you'd clicked any of the links, you'd know that.
The NED has been funding some NGOs for decades, so these groups, which prior to the sunflower movement mostly didn't even exist and didn't have an organizational structure to direct funds to in the first place surely were funded by them as well. Some absolutely impeccable and waterproof logic there.
So... Your argument is that if I "donate" a billion dollars to the Republican party in the US, that would have zero relation with the rise of conservative views in the US and that those views must have arisen organically?
No, that's not my argument. Reread my post.
Yet as much as I would wish for this, I don't think it's the way of thinking of those in charge.
China's way of partnering is through domination, and under Xi it is no longer even a matter of opinion or interpretation. The Taiwanese know that well, while the rest of the world is readjusting after a half century of concessions and "trying to be good friends".
China doesn't believe in/wants/cares about a world order with all countries equal under the same international laws, and that's what I personally find to be the scariest for the world's stability in the long term (rather than the naive "democracies are good vs authoritarianisms are bad and hence we should align against CN/RU").
Ah yes, the classic "domination through trade"
oh man, I've missed your clown takes on here
And I see you're still there too, waving your own takes under a pretence of knowledge and experience that inevitably more and more people can see as absent. Keep it up!
whatever helps you cope there little buddy
China and Taiwan are already some of each others' largest trading partners. China is Taiwan's, and Taiwan-China trade is so significant it's almost half the US-China trade volume.
Don't talk about shit you don't understand.
It seems there are not enough businesses to make peace more profitable than war.
Peace is more profitable than war for basics everyone except the US. Only the US' military industrial complex is so geared towards extracting maximum profit.
Internal trade with the rest of China accounts for the vast majority of trade of the province of Taiwan.