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What was the benefit there, paying lower salaries for workers on visas? Can employers pay lower salaries for non citizens/residents?
Not just lower base salaries, its also that the good employees are at a greater disadvantage in negotiating raises / work conditions because an employer declining and letting them go instead would mean a loss of a work visa (if they don't find other work) and potential deportation.
For example, Apple can't legally mandate an 80hr work week. But being an at-will employer, they CAN just fire anyone working 40hrs/week for nebulous "performance concerns". Who is more likely to decide to work 80hrs on their own to hit impossible performance targets? The guy who has unlimited time to go find another job or the guy who if he doesn't find another job in 3 months has to pull his kids out of school and move halfway across the world?
You have a work visa worker by the balls way more than a full citizen.
Closed work permit for a single employer is the reason. I think a work permit should be closed to a single employer for 1 year then it can be open which will help reduce employer greed.
Not sure this logic tracks. PERM is a program that transitions the current visa holder workers to instead have a green card (aka no longer need a visa). If I were to follow your logic, Apple would be incentived to make the PERM postings more accessible.
The point of these PERM postings is to prove to DoL that the current employee deserves a green card because they're not easily replaceable. If a qualified applicant applies to the PERM posting, they are not hired. It just delays the PERM process for the visa worker. If Apple wanted to keep the threat of deportation, doing the opposite of what they were fined would make more sense? Why would they want to fast track a green card for them?
Easier to abuse position of power. Visa people need to stay employed to stay in country.
Visa holders are both paid less and willing to put up with more shit in fear of losing their job.
And work a shit ton of overtime.
I haven't worked with very many visa holders until my current position. The visa holders are online working from 7AM to 10PM, all the time.
I'm not working 80 hours a week, sorry. You're getting 40 hours. I'll give 45 on occasion.