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Additionally, what changes are necessary for you to be able to use Linux full time?

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[โ€“] vox@sopuli.xyz -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

you don't have to use all of the app containers things, pacman, apt or whatever your distro uses is often enough.
if you don't have previews at all, your system is completely broken and fucked up if you get a command not found, well you just need install the missing tool...

[โ€“] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

you don't have to use all of the app containers things, pacman, apt or whatever your distro uses is often enough.

I don't even know what these words mean.

if you don't have previews at all, your system is completely broken and fucked up

What are "previews"?

if you get a command not found, well you just need install the missing tool...

...what tool!?

I'm constantly genuinely surprised at how Linux users are unable to grasp why people don't want to use it.

[โ€“] shapis@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Your points are all entirely fair. It also surprises me how quite a few people don't get it.

And it's not that many requisites to fix it either.

A) don't break shit on updates. This is the worst thing that could happen.

B) There needs to be a clicky app store. Just one. No options. No pick your repos. No pick between flatpak and whatever else. Just a visual app store you click an app and it install. You click to remove it gets removed.

It's seriously not that much you'd think.

Having that said. If you do choose to endure through the learning curve. It's mostly worth it. But fuck. It's such a dumb self imposed learning curve.

[โ€“] Dubious_Fart@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

The biggest strength of linux, is also its greatest flaw and weakness.

Is that if people disagree with what a projects doing, they can split off, make their own version of the project, and now that has to compete with the other project, as well as the 5 others that are out there.

So things just keep diluting, and spreading out, when it should be going in the opposite direction for a good user experience.

I agree so hard with both of the needs listed here.

[โ€“] vox@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

well gnome software and epiphany app stores just work.
click, install, done.
they provide an option to pick the source to install from (package/flatpak/snap), but they both automatically pick the best one for you.

Debian/Ubuntu almost never break on updates (unless you mess with the PPAs too much), but at a significant cost: some packages and software (especially desktop environments and system packages) being 1-2 years out of date.

[โ€“] shapis@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

well gnome software and epiphany app stores just work.

Man I wish I had time to boot up a vm with a big distro, open both stores and try to install something, it's immediately obvious.

There's a reason everyone online says "oh yeah, the stores exist, i still use the terminal though"

They do not work.

[โ€“] vox@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

As a power user, I just like the terminal more, it's much quicker to install stuff from the terminal.

[โ€“] vox@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

you mentioned that file previews are broken for you, thy should just work, unless some component it terribly broken or missing...

also about the last part, package name usually matchess the name of the command, so for example if an online guide tells you to use the ffmpeg command and it's not found on your system, usually that means that you have to install a package called ffmpeg.
some package managers and command line shells provide more helpful error messages, like: command X was not found, but here are some packages that provide this command, do you want to install one of them?

by the way, you mentioned that you tried using Fedora. common source of frustration is beginners trying to use apt on a system that doesn't support or use it (apt is only used in Debian, Ubuntu, and their derivatives). Fedora uses dnf instead.

...but, as a beginner, you shouldn't even worry about this, as most distros provide easy-to-use, graphical app store applications that can automagically install apps (from your package manager, Flatpak, Snap, etc, picking the source automatically if it's unavailable in one of them) with a single click.

[โ€“] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

you mentioned that file previews are broken for you, thy should just work, unless some component it terribly broken or missing...

Uhhhhh nope, that's just the way it works.

...but, as a beginner, you shouldn't even worry about this, as most distros provide easy-to-use, graphical app store applications that can automagically install apps

Yes I have the "Software" package manager. At best it is extremely slow, at worst it just doesn't work at all. But it doesn't come preloaded with many repositories, I had to manually load flatpak.