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[-] PanArab@lemmy.ml -5 points 7 months ago

No self respecting Arab or Muslim should vote for him after he facilitated -still ongoing- the massacre of children in Palestine

[-] Arthur_Leywin@lemmy.ml 9 points 7 months ago

If you're telling people to not vote for Biden, you're basically endorsing Republicans. Do you think they'll be any better?

[-] PanArab@lemmy.ml -2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

No it is not an endorsement of Trump anymore than it is an endorsement of West or any other candidate. It is holding a president that enabled the worst Palestinian genocide since 1948 accountable. More bombs in a month than all of 2019 on Afghanistan. More children killed in a month than 18 months of Russian war on Ukraine. More journalists dead in a month than in any other conflict or any other year. People should still vote down ballot for any sane progressives. The Democratic Party can still primary someone younger and with no blood on their hands.

Republicans won’t be better, but at least I know the liberals will not rationalize a genocide when it is a a Republican president. And nothing they can do domestically will ever come close in severity and inhumanity as the ongoing genocide in Gaza.

[-] Arthur_Leywin@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

If Biden doesn't win, then the Republicans will. It's as simple as that.

[-] PanArab@lemmy.ml -2 points 7 months ago

Maybe he shouldn’t have enabled a genocide. We tried Trump before and he didn’t kill over 4000 children

[-] Arthur_Leywin@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago
[-] PanArab@lemmy.ml -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Now you are just lying. If you are going to engage in genocide denial then don't expect Arabs/Muslims to vote for your genocidal candidate.

https://ccrjustice.org/home/press-center/press-releases/rights-lawyers-release-legal-analysis-us-complicity-israel-s

https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/us-complicit-israeli-genocide-gaza

https://www.reuters.com/world/reuters-next-arabs-see-us-complicit-israels-gaza-war-former-jordan-envoy-muasher-2023-11-08/

https://theintercept.com/2023/10/19/israel-gaza-biden-genocide-war-crimes/

I don't know how you can justify a genocide. But I am sure a huge part of it is dehumanizing Arabs/Muslims, which is why I must ask, why do you care who we vote for if you don't care if we die?

[-] btaf45@kbin.social 0 points 7 months ago

Allying yourself with the Nazis is not going to "help Palestianans". Nazis have already dehumanized Arabs/Muslims to the maximum extent possible. Bush (R) is the president who gave Gaza to Hamas, not Biden. Without Biden there would be no aid trucks going into Gaza. Without Biden there would be no humanitarian pauses. If it is true that "arabs see US as complicit in Israel's Gaza war", then it is up to yourself to help them see the actual truth and not the lies.

[-] PanArab@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

If it is true that “arabs see US as complicit in Israel’s Gaza war”, then it is up to yourself to help them see the actual truth and not the lies.

The US is complicit from vetoing the UN ceasefire to arming and bankrolling Israel's genocide. I am sure deep down you are a good person except misled. The truth is as Arabs and the rest of the world see it. If you don't care about Palestinians lives -which is apparent- you should at least care about the US's image.

Here are some key quotes from a Financial Times article titled "Rush by west to back Israel erodes developing countries’ support for Ukraine"

“We have definitely lost the battle in the Global South,” said one senior G7 diplomat. “All the work we have done with the Global South [over Ukraine] has been lost . . . Forget about rules, forget about world order. They won’t ever listen to us again.”

Many developing countries have traditionally supported the Palestinian cause, seeing it through the prism of self-determination and a push against the global dominance of the US, Israel’s most important backer.

“What we said about Ukraine has to apply to Gaza. Otherwise we lose all our credibility,” the senior G7 diplomat added. “The Brazilians, the South Africans, the Indonesians: why should they ever believe what we say about human rights?”

Since last Sunday, many of those officials told the Financial Times they have had the same argument read back at them in demands for condemnation of Israel’s retaliatory assault on Gaza, and of its decision to restrict water, electricity and gas supplies there.

“I mean, let’s be frank. This is a gift from heaven for Russia,” said a senior EU official. “I think it’s damaging what’s happening . . . because Russia is exploiting the crisis and saying, ‘Look, the global order that has been built after the second world war is not working for you,’ and addressing 1bn inhabitants in the Middle East or in the Arab world.”

“What New Delhi, Jakarta and Brasília want to see is a common position on these issues, and consistency. And if they don’t see that . . . then on the major global issues there’s a certain danger EU, G7, Nato will not be taken seriously,” said Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, former Nato secretary-general.

“We, the west, do not call the shots any more, and the Global South says: ‘Please, we have a voice as well which you have neglected for some time,’” added de Hoop Scheffer, now chair of the Clingendael Institute, a Dutch think-tank.

Archived link to article: https://archive.ph/ctAhD

In 2004 I couldn't wait to vote for John Kerry on the hopes he will put an end to the Bush's war on terror. In 2008 and 2012 I watched Obama promise and underdeliver, specially on the never-ending wars. In 2016 I voted for Clinton because Trump was apparently worse. In 2020 I voted for Biden despite knowing he is a Zionist and warmonger because I hoped he was still a decent person that acknowledges basic facts like climate change and maybe the progressives can push him to the left. I have now learned I have been scammed and fearmongered into voting Democratic, only to get a massive genocide.

The carnage in Gaza exceeds anything I witnessed my whole life in terms of scale. The number of children dead exceeds anything I saw my whole life. You may be kept in the dark about what's going on in Palestine and so I encourage you to get informed.

[-] btaf45@kbin.social 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The US is complicit from vetoing the UN ceasefire

Hamas still had hundreds of hostages. Why the heck would we want a ceasefire until Hamas is gone? All the civilians of Gaza are the chief victims of Hamas. So if you don't want Hamas gone than it sounds like YOU are anti-Palestianian.

If you don’t care about Palestinians lives -which is apparent

Gaza has lots of Christians and lots of people who are my ethnic group. So I am supposed to care about them more than any other country? I care about all lives. You caring only about people of 1 specific religion and 1 specific ethnic group sounds completely idiotic to me.

[-] PanArab@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The US is complicit in the genocide. You genocide-denying liberal! https://youtu.be/rrUh9UOZzqo

Did you miss everything Biden said and did? Did you miss his unconditional support to Israel? Did you miss when he spread fake news about raped women and beheaded children? https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/10/12/white-house-walks-back-bidens-claim-he-saw-children-beheaded-by-hamas

Or his continued opposition to a ceasefire as voted on by the UN https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/10/1142507

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4248451-white-house-calls-lawmakers-not-backing-israel-wrong-disgraceful/amp/

Did you miss when he opposed -still does- the ceasefire and called it repugnant? https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/the-shift-white-house-press-secretary-calls-progressives-calling-for-ceasefire-disgraceful-and-repugnant/

Biden has blood on his hands and by his sheer hypocrisy and dehumanization of Palestinians he is also harming Ukrainians. You can’t have two different standards for Palestinians and Ukrainians

https://www.ft.com/content/e0b43918-7eaf-4a11-baaf-d6d7fb61a8a5

Israel has been far more brutal than Russia and Biden sends them more weapons to murder children with

Not only do Democrats deserve to lose -unless they nominate someone else- but the US deserves to be humiliated on the world stage for its hypocrisy and double standards

Israel is committing war crimes that makes Russia look like a saint, and Biden is bankrolling the murder of children in Gaza.

[-] PanArab@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 months ago

I’m reading “Nazis” and I am understanding it as neocons and neolibs. It does fit both. Clinton after all killed 500,000 Iraqi children

https://youtu.be/KP1OAD9jSaI

[-] btaf45@kbin.social 1 points 7 months ago

I’m reading “Nazis” and I am understanding it as neocons and neolibs

Than you don't understand Nazis. There is no such things as neolibs and neocons.

Clinton after all killed 500,000 Iraqi children

You'll have to do better than a youtube link. I don't watch that trash. Iran killed 500,000 children. And Iraq under Saddaam killed 500,000 children. Saddaam isn't killing Iraqi children any more. Your welcome.

[-] Arthur_Leywin@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 months ago

Ok don't vote for Biden. Where's your vote going to?

[-] PanArab@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

it won't matter as long as Biden loses. Biden can't kill 10,000 of us and then expect our vote

[-] Arthur_Leywin@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago

So you're ok with Trump or worse from the Republican side?

[-] PanArab@lemmy.ml -1 points 7 months ago

What’s worse than a genocide? At least if it were Trump you would be against it instead of denying it.

[-] Arthur_Leywin@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

You're a lost cause. You're fixation on Biden's poor handling of this situation shows you don't give a shit. It's Netanyahu's genocide and this would have happened with or without the US's condemnation.

If you're a Republican then you were ret@rded from the start. If you're a leftist then you're also stupid for thinking Trump would be better in this situation.

Genocide is bad, so is fascism (The Republican party).

[-] PanArab@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 months ago

The Democratic Party can do better than Biden

[-] btaf45@kbin.social 0 points 7 months ago

No Democrat would have done better than Biden. And certainly no Republican. You can do better than allying yourself with the Nazis who routinely use the word "terrorist" as a synonym for "Muslim".

[-] PanArab@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

True. Liberals have exposed themselves to be hateful at least when it comes to Arabs and Muslims. I hope Arab and Muslim Americans are paying attention. They have been playing us as pawns to win their elections.

[-] btaf45@kbin.social 1 points 7 months ago

If you don't have respect for people of every religion and every ethnic group than what are you doing in America? You are no better than Christians/White Nationalists.

[-] TylerDurdenJunior@lemmy.ml -3 points 7 months ago

found the enlightened centrist

[-] Arthur_Leywin@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago

How did you arrive to that conclusion?

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