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This land isn’t for you or me. It’s for the meat industry. | Almost half of the continental US is used for meat production. There’s something better we could do with it. (www.vox.com)

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[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

government businesses like the DMV

the DMV is not a business.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

You missed the message for the word. Call it whatever you need to, facility or what not. The point is that it's awful in places like California.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago

The point is that it's awful in places like California.

You seriously think privatizing California's DMV would be an improvement?

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

in places like California

so a government can run a DMV well? if such a thing is specific to some places and not others, you cannot make it a general rule, can you?

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I can tell that person is probably not in California (or is maybe some kind of MAGA sucker from the Central Valley) if they complain about the California DMV and want it privatized like the circus fire that is the state's PG&E monopoly.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I'm certainly not a MAGA proponent. I didn't say I wanted it privatized. It was meant to be an example of the disaster that governments can make of something relatively simple. We can't afford that with our primary food supply. So if it was handed off to the government, extreme measures would need to be taken to ensure it's properly funded, managed by competent and qualified people, and well insulated from corruption. It's not as simple as "just let the government do it".

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It was meant to be an example of the disaster that governments can make of something relatively simple.

You claim you're not calling for privatizing the DMV. So what are you calling for?

If you say "increased funding and more staffing with expanded benefits" then I will nod to that.

We can't afford that with our primary food supply. So if it was handed off to the government, extreme measures would need to be taken to ensure it's properly funded, managed by competent and qualified people, and well insulated from corruption. It's not as simple as "just let the government do it".

The current status quo is failing and more than that is cumulatively destroying the planet. think-mark

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I wasn't calling for anything. The conversation is about the meat industry, not about the DMV.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago

I wasn't calling for anything.

Saying "government intervention bad" over and over again is calling for more of the status quo. That's what a default position is if you condemn proposals to change it and say you "aren't calling for anything" otherwise.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

Yes, actually. The DMV in Washington is surprisingly well run. But the California DMV is a nightmare that we cannot allow to happen with our food supply. Ultimately it's not a simple handover and there would need to be abundant safeguards in place to ensure our food supply is managed competently and insulated from corruption.