Not really. Both resolutions called for humanitarian ceasefire, release of all hostages, aid access, and safe evacuation of civilians. Nowhere, did it acknowledge what is happening in Gaza by the Israel hand same way it didn't include the language of "self-defense" that Israel and US wanted. Fucking theater, everyone knew going in they wouldn't pass. Posturing doesn't solve anything.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The resolutions that US vetoed were the first step. First thing that needs to happen is to stop Israel from doing a ground invasion in Gaza. This isn't theatre this would literally save countless thousands of lives.

China has also formally stated that what Israel is doing goes beyond self-defense

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/china-israels-actions-in-gaza-have-gone-beyond-the-scope-of-self-defense/

[–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231012-putin-reiterates-russias-support-for-an-independent-palestinian-state/

This is identical to what TASS released. But I can't find where they initially pledged their support for the independent Palestinian state. Do you have a source for that?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/6/14/chinas-xi-jinping-backs-just-cause-of-palestinian-statehood

Thanks. Rare area where I agree with China.

The resolutions that US vetoed were the first step. First thing that needs to happen is to stop Israel from doing a ground invasion in Gaza. This isn’t theatre this would literally save countless thousands of lives.

I don't disagree with you on the merits that the resolution passing would be a positive thing, it's just that it was a stupid show and nothing else. Everyone going in knew that it won't pass and everyone was free to vote however they wanted as it would have been vetoed either way if not by US, then by France or UK. So it is theater and political games on internation scale without any real solution.

China has also formally stated that what Israel is doing goes beyond self-defense

As did EU, but it's pointless words without further actions. Both EU and China pledged humanitarian aid to Gaza, but it can't even be delivered without Israel approval, and they simply refuse.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is identical to what TASS released. But I can’t find where they initially pledged their support for the independent Palestinian state. Do you have a source for that?

This is an official statement by the president of Russia as published in TASS which is the official state media. The statement clearly says that Russia's position is that there needs to be an Independent state of Palestine as originally proposed by the UN. I'm not sure what else you're asking a source for here?

I don’t disagree with you on the merits that the resolution passing would be a positive thing, it’s just that it was a stupid show and nothing else.

It's not, this is how the geopolitical process works. Countries propose these resolutions and then they are voted on. The US is now in a minority position and it's forced to resort to vetoes of these resolutions. Eventually, either US will be forced to accept a resolution on a ceasefire or further expose itself as backing genocide by Israel. The political pressure on Israel and its sponsors will continue to grow as time goes on.

[–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is an official statement by the president of Russia as published in TASS which is the official state media. The statement clearly says that Russia’s position is that there needs to be an Independent state of Palestine as originally proposed by the UN. I’m not sure what else you’re asking a source for here?

The article you linked just parrots the TASS that they "reiterated his country’s support". I asked if you have a source where they initially offered support?

And if you are going to quote me, use the full context, not cherry-picked sentences to fit your argument.