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Surely a lot of those subs can just be one single sub, imaginary vehicles would cover tanks, planes, boats, mechs etc...no need for so many
I'm already trying to bulk up whatever I can into one subs because reddit imaginary subs have a sub for every damn niche thing lol:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ImaginaryBestOf/wiki/networksublist/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ImaginaryUnofficial/wiki/index/
I will move tanks sub and mecha sub into vehicles sub because they will be adding tags to the platform and unlike reddit you will be able to use multiple tags for one post so there won't be any need for dedicated subreddits because filtering should be easy enough, you're right. I think that I will leave aviation sub as it is though because it's deistinct enough to keep it as a separate sub. Thank for the feedback!
Edit: for example, not long ago I moved imaginary feels into more general sub imaginary emotions, so it's not like I'm not trying to fight those problems. It's just a bit confusing to make more general sublemmies because reddit had subreddit for each specific things and it's hard to shift to doing it in another way haha.
Edit2: yeah, I will need to rethink (again) how I will do things with with imaginary subs. I will stop posting temporarily on the ones that I'm not sure what will happen with them yet.
Edit3: Actually, maybe I will merge imaginary aviation and ships together but I'm not sure how well the platform will work if a community will have tens of tags.
Edit4: Another reason for why I didn't include everything under a more generalised sublemmies is that if a person subscribes to a community then it will show ALL the posts on it and not only the content that the person is interested it. I pitched an idea on github for advanced filtering options for tags, maybe I should also mention them that it would be good to have an option to subscribe to tags on communities so it doesn't show all the content from them. But that also sounds like something that will be needed to be done in the backend and will take a really long time to implement, ugh.
i agree with you - I'm personally interested in trains (obviously); but not really cars, tanks, etc. so i like the separate communities
i didn't know about the tags thing though, that's interesting. do you have a source?
Here's the github issue for this, I will be contacting the person that works on them later to discuss more advanced filtering and tag following after the basic tag functionality gets implemented: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/317
hmmm. i personally really dislike almost every idea discussed in that issue. thank you for the link though
Can you tell me what exactly do you dislike? Becasue I will be discussing things with the person that will code it (if he responds).
hooh boy. i'm going to make this foldable because this will be a long comment
in general, i think a hierarchical community system would be leagues better than a tags system. for tags to be really useful, they have first-class citizens: allow me to subscribe to just
/c/community@instan.ce#favouritetag
(or/c/community#favouritetag@instan.ce
?)[^3], allow me to subscribe to just that tag with rss, and allow me to add just that tag to a multicommunity, when they're released. with all of those features, it may as well be a subcommunity, but i digressthis issue seems to be confused between two or three different things called tags, as well, which is an issue for readability but never mind
i quite like this. i'm presuming it'd be similar to reddit's "flair" system
this i would say is another point in favour of tags, as the mod of a community could add them whereas we currently can't edit post titles (which is good)
i can't remember, however, whether reddit allowed >1 flair per post. this seems like something that's almost compulsory
this seems like a terrible idea. i will copy a comment from reddit and the response from the sift developer, which didn't really solve my qualms:
now i personally dislike that idea. i don't want my experience curated by a "reputation graph", i want it curated by me. but this is a bit of a digression as i presume this idea was never really considered
this actually seems like a reasonable idea, but it was abandoned due to mastodon[^1]
this is a great idea! there should definitely be more than one "blur post" tag. in fact, an editable
CW: reason
[^2] so that users can pre-emptively block tw tags they don't even want to see blurred would be great tooto be honest, i think the current "spoiler" formatting is bad as well - it should just be called "folded text" or "" or something, and have a spoiler system that just blurs, or blacks out the text/images which would work as block or inline
so zcdunn is proposing they're cross-community? that sounds like it would make things awfully cluttered
see my thoughts on sift. i'd rather posts be crossposted so that the comments sections would be separated per community
as a less inflammatory example: if a cinnamon news post is tagged
Cinnamon
andLinux
, half the comments will be "man, i could never use cinnamon, they don't even support wayland", drowning out actual cinnamon users because there's less of themthis is the only good use of them, but see my first point
this is, in my opinion, the worst possible solution. twitter posts read completely disjointedly, as there are random punctuation marks and diffferent coloured text strewn haphazardly throughout the post, like twitter. it becomes almost unreadable. just tag them when posting, like we do with
nsfw
currentlyemphasis mine
i'm not entirely sure i see this - dessalines never explained why it would increase moderation..
this is another great idea; and ideally would be added to the url scheme as well (
/c/community@instan.ce+#wantedtag-#unwantedtag
? i'm not sure how to implement this)you are on fire here
that's pretty much everything i have to say, i'm sorry it's so long. any comment i haven't commented on i either agree with, am neutral on, or haven't seen
edit 2023-07-12:
this also sounds awful. it will just propagate what is currently popular, making it more popular. this is already a problem with sorttype=active. it will cluster all the conversation into one tag, making it continuously popular. don't do this.
issue #1459
i missed these, so i've never used them; but this seemed like a really good idea
ah, shame
[^1]: honestly i feel a lot of my issues stem from interopability with mastodon. i wish we weren't interoperable with mastodon. the twitter model breeds vapid and pointless comments like this. i'd rather a static tag similar to reddit's, as that's designed for a link aggregator not a microblogging site. but maybe that's just me
[^2]: e.g.
CW: Gore
,CW: Sexual Abuse
etc.[^3]: edit: don't use hashes for this. they don't work in urls. i'm dumb.
I agree with you. A flair system like Reddit has seems reasonable to further organize a community but hashtags like Mastodon or Twitter would be a mess IMO
oh hi tywele
did you really read all of that? i'm impressed
Not completely 🙃 but I got half way through and skimmed the rest and pretty much got the gist of it 😅
yeah fair enough, that's all you really need
I need to mentally prepare my ADHD brain for this before reading it xD. I will go do something else before I get ready lol.
no worries, i don't even expect you to respond to all of it. i did just sort of ramble for a while. but i thought it might be good to have on hand when you talk to neshura
i didn't even read it that much, so i apologise for any formatting errors (i wrote it in a text editor outside of lemmy)
Alright, my response is... Tags won't function like mastodon and such, each community will have their own tags to further categorise content of a general topic that sublemmy is about. (Edit: actually, I think it may be do BOTH of those things now that I read my conversation with the dev again)
This is what the dev said about stages of tag system (in my conversation with him on dc):
And this is what he told me when I asked about the possibility of stage 3 of the tag system where you can subscirbe to only certain tags so only choosen content from a community shows up on your feed:
So my idea is possible from what he told me. The problem is that we need to make the idea known and we need to find someone who will work on it because the dev isn't even sure if he will be the one that implements stage 2 when I'm talking about stage 3. Also, to implement my ideas for stage 3 we need foundation to be laid out which means that the stage 1 and stage 2 need to be completed first.
For the stage 3 to be implemented (if anyone decides to implement this AT ALL) we will need to wait for weeks at best and months at worst. Now this makes it hard for me to decide how to proceed with my communities because the path of the tag system is not yet clear and I need to decide NOW which communities should be separate and which should become more general.
Edit: I talked with the dev, it will take months to reach stage 3. And I realised just now that not all content on c/imaginaryaviation will be vehicles which means that I will need to a create a new sub called c/imaginarylocomotion to be able to fully capture both of the subs.
I really like the idea of subscribing to/filtering of a tag (tags that are predefined per community by a mod) of a community.
yeah, the thread was hard to follow due to people talking about different concepts without realising. i feel like that would need to be clarified before implementing one (or both[^hopefully not])
yeah this seems fine (although cosmetics seems like a late stage issue to me, but meh)
i'm not surprised, that makes sense. as an aside: there are community id's? like, uuid's? or does he mean just comm@instan.ce which is, i guess, an id?
in my (irrelevant) opinion, separate communities are better. it's a paradigm that everyone knows, rather than some nebulous proposal that 1) may not be implemented 2) may be lacking features (rss etc.) 3) will almost certainly be more complex to use. also you could merge them at a later date and add links to the archived versions in the sidebar. not really optimal, but it is a solution
adding them all together won't prevent spam (although i guess it would make it easier for people to block..). there will be the same volume of posts, just all in one place. i have been trying to avoid flooding local though. i have a whole folder of art to add to these subs. although to be honest, i've no sympathy with the op. browse subscribed if you don't want to see irrelevant posts. if you browse all, be prepared to see posts you have no interest in
ah yes, convoluted and intermingled subs. fun
The dev will write a github issue with everything described for stage 1 of tags before proceeding to gather opinions. But he will only mention stage 2 and stage 3 of tags and I will have to make issues for stage 2 and 3 myself.
I would love to have an option for customizing the looks of the tags to make it more easly browsable when you have more than just a few but yeah, it's not something that would need to be implemented in stage 2.
I just found this on github. It was mentioned by nutomic a month ago:
Each Activitypub object (post, comment, user, community) has an ID. In case of posts this looks like https://lemmy.world/post/1 with the domain where the creator is registered. When another instances fetches the post, it inserts it in the db and renders it as a link with the db post.id column value, eg https://lemmy.ml/post/3. So the problem is that the url id is exactly the same as the db id, which naturally differs between instances. A cleaner solution for this would be random IDs as described in #1101. This is what Peertube does for example.
Yeah, that would make the sub waaaay too general. I will leave the imaginary aviation as a separate sub but imaginary ships/subs on the other hand is something that I can merge with imaginary vehicles. I also think that I can merge imaginary armies with imaginary characters and just give them their separate tag once they come out. There shouldn't be a problem with both of those cases.
I also have this weird sublemmy called "imaginary cities/cityscapes/landscapes" because it's about cities but cityscapes very often are also portraying a landscape. I can either make "imaginary scapes" (ik this sounds weird lol) and use it for starscapes, landscapes, skyscapes, cloudcapes etc. and have a separate sublemmy for showing inside shots of cities/villages where far away shots of them would be counted as a "scapes" to which will be included in "scapes" sublemmy and not the sublemmy about cities/villages. The second option is to include cityscapes in sublemmy about cities and repost artworks to imaginary scapes if it contains a landscape on top of a cityscape. But that would result in a lot of reposts though and this would make the OP very sad. There's also a third option where I include scapes, cities, cityscapes and villages into one place BUT that's not the content of the same topic which is a very not cool thing to do. What do you think?
Edit: I also think that I could move imaginary tanks into imaginary vehicles too.
i guess i'll have to keep an eye on the gh then - presumably it'll be on lemmy-ui
i, personally, would prefer the former. i don't know which is objectively better, but i was actually considering making a "grungy hamlets" sub.[^stuff like this] although i didn't really know what to call it. so i'd like / will make a "street level views of mediævil/vicorian/cyberpunk distopic towns", but i have no interest in wide grandiose vistas.
i don't really have strong opinions, but that's my thoughts. i wonder if we should make some sort of discussion group with tywele, sebinspace, and remus989 to make co-ordinated decisions?
Alright, inside city/village shots will have their own sublemmy and cityscapes will be moved to scapes.
YESSS, I was already thinking about it but I wasn't sure how to proceed with that.
Edit: I just realised that merging imaginary soldiers/armies with imaginary characters is not an option because imaginary characters sub focuses on single characters.
d'you want to pm them? i have a matrix at @zeusofthecrows:matrix.org and a telegram but not much else (and a discord that i generally avoid opening)
i don't want to end up as some tyrannical ruler of the imaginary network though
No worry, I can do that myself
I think that I will merge imaginary aviation with imaginary vehicles and I will just give up on the content that's not vehicles.