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Odd that the people who question vaccines are the same people who don't question the medicines they put into their mouths when they get sick. Do they know that vaccines and medicines are researched and manufactured in a similar way?
They probably should question them. Even something as seemingly benign as Paracetamol is not without its issues if used too often, or after alcohol. It can do serious harm. Most medicine can.
Another fun medicine fact. Australia banned the sale of pseudoephedrine from store shelves quite some years ago to try and reduce domestic amphetamine production. Ever since, all of the major pharma brands have sold phenylephrine based cold and flu medicine as a replacement. Our Therapeutic Goods Administration recently found that this preparation is no better than placebo. We're talking about a billion dollar industry that has been knowingly selling snake oil for ten years.
I guess what I'm saying is a healthy dose of skepticism and knowledge seeking should be applied to anything you are putting in your body or exchanging money for. The pharmaceutical industry are not saints. They're just as driven by profit incentives as every other business.
They have known since 2009
I don't think it's some conspiracy that they have known and hid it. And at least in the states you can still get the real stuff behind the counter too with ID.
I'm not discrediting anything you said though just adding on.
This ^. There are so many medications out there that either do nothing, or the side effects are worse than what they're treating. Pay attention to what you're taking, and look into everything. The Pharma industry is about money. That's it. Money. They don't care about making you better, they care about what kind of profit they can make off of a new drug. There's not a single pharma company that can be trusted. And this isn't only drugs that they are more worried about making money on, vaccines too. You don't really think the pharma companies came out with a COVID vaccine because it was best for humanity do you? They knew the government would pay whatever they asked for the vaccines, so they pushed them out as fast as they could. Work/doesn't work? Doesn't matter, as long as they made a profit.
Add statins to your list. After taking statins for 10 years, statistically, you can expect to live 1 day longer. But until death, you're likely to experience crippling side effects.
These people will drink bleach if someone tells them to https://arstechnica.com/health/2023/10/florida-men-sentenced-to-years-in-prison-for-selling-bleach-as-miracle-cure/
Anti-vaxxers aren't anti-science because that would imply they understand science. They're anti-knowledge and anti-reason which is far more dangerous.
Lol it was Harvard that said to drink bleach
Source?
Google works well
Lol, k bud
my friend got Covid (alpha), it was pretty bad but he also got nothing as treatment, just basic painkiller and O2, nothing else. Fortunately for him, he was in his mid 40 and strong, "just" ended up with a hole in his lungs due to excessive O2.
AND Finally, the binary vision that people against Vaxzevria and co are against vaccines is highly infuriating to me. Get you shot and leave me alone.
So which courses did you find most impactful on that view while studying immunology? Or do you already work in bleeding-edge vaccine research?
Strange that people think that the COVID-19 vaccine is "rushed" (it is not, the technology is 30 years old), when many other drugs were also rushed. Strange that most drugs have side effects but people only question when it is the vaccines that show it. Strange that the same people never question chemotherapy. Strange that they also don't question the potential of addiction from painkillers and opioid-based medicines despite overprescription leading to opioid epidemic in the United States. The same people would also probably demand for antibiotics on common flu, even though antibiotics only work on bacterial infections, and not on viral ones such as the common cold, which is now resulting to concern of evolution of antibiotic-resistant diseases.
It is though people prefer the comfort of therapeutic medicines, even if the efficacy is little or perceived, and regardless of side effects, instead of the feverish side effects that vaccines could give despite the overall benefits outweighing the risk of getting full blown sickness without taking it. It is though people are myopic, hedonistic creatures of comfort who would forgo long term safety for short term convenience.
I really doubt we'd survive in the next 100 years.
People (idiots) prefer therapeutic to preventative because of shitty/misattributed confirmation bias. If they get the shots and don't get sick, it's not because of the shots, it's because they weren't ever going to get sick anyway. If they get sick, take something, and get better, it's because of whatever they took. They can't see the vaccine helping them, so it isn't happening, and if it isn't happening, then it's worthless, and if it's worthless but someone's trying to "make" you take it anyway, it's cause they have an ulterior motive.
Additionally, antivaxxers group all vaccines as if they're all the same. "The vaccine on malaria didn't work? The vaccine on polio must be the same". But they would not apply the same incorrect conclusion to medicine. "Oh the immunotherapy on cancer didn't work. I will take painkillers to ease the pain at least". Medicines and vaccines are not all the same and this doesn't register to many.
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Strange how you apparently never thought to ask yourself "what if I'm wrong and the entire medical field is right?"
The lies you're spreading kill people. This essentially makes you a murderer. Great job spreading vaccine misinformation. There's a special place in hell for people like you.