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[–] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 50 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Biblical Satan is a role, not a person. I've seen it translated as "opponent" or "rival". Something like a "devil's advocate" in catholic church - person or entity who tests somebody's faith.

And Lucifer is again a completely different character, not related to Satan until much later.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The devils advocate in Catholicism is something very specific and not at all that. In order for someone to be determined a Saint there’s more or less a trial. One side presents arguments that say the individual has met the criteria by which one can be determined a Saint. The other side, which is called the devils advocate, attempts to poke holes in it and presents arguments by which the individual hasn’t met those conditions. They’ll do things like bring up sins and character flaws that persisted into the individual’s saintly period, as well as attempt to disprove any miracles the individual is said to have committed.

[–] MuffinHeeler@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago

Is that the origin of devils advocate?

That is super interesting if so

[–] XEAL@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"opponent" or "rival"

Aaand that's the interpretation The Church of Satan takes. They're atheists and don't believe in Satan as an entity.

[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're thinking of The Satanic Temple. CoS is a theistic organization started by Anton Lavey. They worship a literal Satan.

[–] synae@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 1 year ago

https://www.churchofsatan.com/faq-fundamental-beliefs/

Why do Satanists worship The Devil?

We don’t. Satanists are atheists.

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why does faith need to be tested?

[–] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Christians seem to love the concept. The idea is if you keep believing if seriously challenged, it means you are a true believer.

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The height of stupidity and evil.

[–] Johanno@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

I didn't read the Bible fully but as far as I know there are only very few mentions of satan/devil and stuff.

666 the number of the beast.

A story about a guys faith and a bet between god and the devil.

The fall of lucifer the angle (not linked to either above)

And maybe the devil is mentioned in a few more sentences but not more.

[–] orphiebaby@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Not a bad take, clearly can be read that way in the English. But I don't read Greek, so I can't tell you one way or the other.