We are talking about people who have the capital in society to make actual systemic changes to society. Such as restructuring our economy to value lives, wellbeing, and sustainability over profit.

Quite obviously 80% of people do not have that capital.

You are cherrypicking statistics, seemingly to deliberately miss the point.

Global comparisons of income mean exactly nothing to the quality of life of people living within their country.

Even people deemed in that global top 20% are living paycheck-to-paycheck, and are unable to leverage that to make changes.

[–] i_understand@mastodon.social -4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

At the beginning of the Industrial Revolution there were an estimated 200 million people and virtually 100% poverty.

Now there are over 8.5 billion people and yet we've managed to reduce both poverty and hunger to the lowest levels in history. Along with the lowest rates of people dying due to war.

socialism didn't do that.

[–] darq@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Completely irrelevant to what I wrote. My comment has nothing to do with socialism.

Not to mention fallaciously attributing technological innovations to capitalism as if they could not occur under other economic systems.

[–] i_understand@mastodon.social -3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

So in your fantasy world we would be at 8.5 billion people along with low poverty, hunger, and deaths from war... but replacing capitalism with socialism.

Likely you fantasize no income and instead it would be the whole "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" thing, right?

Unfortunately for your fantasy... the result of socialism has always been the deaths of millions of people through starvation and murder (followed by collapse and/or acceptance of capitalism)

[–] darq@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Are you a bot, or just responding to the wrong person? Because that's the second comment in a row that has nothing to do with what I wrote.

[–] i_understand@mastodon.social -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What I wrote is completely germane, you just can't admit it or argue against what I'm saying because then it would be harder for you to gaslight people into voting for socialism.

[–] darq@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You are the only one ranting about socialism here.

[–] i_understand@mastodon.social -1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I'm not ranting about anything, I'm just responding to your posts. It's not my fault you choose to speak in euphemisms rather than directly say what you mean.

Anyway, this is not about me. So unless you want to try and defend your indefensible positions... have a nice day.

[–] darq@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

'm not ranting about anything, I'm just responding to your posts. It's not my fault you choose to speak in euphemisms rather than directly say what you mean.

So you have imagined my entire worldview and all the positions you are arguing against.

No, dickhead. When I argue for socialism, I actually argue for socialism with my full chest, not with euphemisms.

Anyway, this is not about me. So unless you want to try and defend your indefensible positions... have a nice day.

So you slither into my mentions, hallucinate things I didn't say, and expect me to "defend" arguments that only exist in your head. Sod all the way off.

Dropping the biggest turd of an argument and expecting me to pick it up. Pick it up yourself, and eat it.

[–] i_understand@mastodon.social -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

𝐍𝐨, 𝐝𝐢𝐜𝐤𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐝. 𝐖𝐡𝐞𝐧 𝐈 𝐚𝐫𝐠𝐮𝐞 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐬𝐨𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥𝐢𝐬𝐦, 𝐈 𝐚𝐜𝐭𝐮𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐲 𝐚𝐫𝐠𝐮𝐞 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐬𝐨𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥𝐢𝐬𝐦 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐦𝐲 𝐟𝐮𝐥𝐥 𝐜𝐡𝐞𝐬𝐭, 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐞𝐮𝐩𝐡𝐞𝐦𝐢𝐬𝐦𝐬.

And there it is, the extremist trademark. Attack and demonize anyone not in your "tribe". They're just an "other" right?

Thanks for confirming everything I thought about you.

[–] darq@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

And there it is, the extremist trademark. Attack and demonize anyone not in your "tribe". They're just an "other" right?

I haven't demonised you. I called you a dickhead. And I called you a dickhead because of your actions, not your beliefs.

Thanks for confirming everything I thought about you.

Think whatever you want about me. It was clear from your first message that you were going to do that anyway, considering you imagined my entire worldview.

[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I'm nOT RANtinG. GeRManE. HAve a Nice Day.

[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Are you confusing socialism with communism again? And are you confusing authoritarian dictatorships with communism?

[–] i_understand@mastodon.social -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I have never confused socialism with communism.

Although Marx did call socialism "lesser communism".

[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

😆🤦

[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It sure helped, though.

Probably one of the biggest benefactors.

[–] i_understand@mastodon.social -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Socialism has resulted in the deaths of millions of people through starvation and murder.

There are no redeeming qualities of socialism.

[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

No, that's a complete lie. It has never resulted in the death of anyone, but rather has saved millions of lives and improved their - and our - standards of living.

But then, you don't actually know what socialism is, so you just make up lies for the evil boogyman hiding in your closet.