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It's insane the lengths that some people will go to save a few seconds on their commute, while also endangering others.

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[–] unmagical@lemmy.ml 90 points 10 months ago (5 children)

I don't understand why these people can't see the cameras are there to protect everyone - including drivers.

Maybe because cameras can't protect anyone. They gather evidence for incrimination, not prevention.

[–] mondoman712@lemmy.ml 43 points 10 months ago (6 children)

From 1992 to 2016, speed cameras reduced accidents by between 17 to 39 per cent and fatalities by between 58 to 68 per cent within 500 metres of the cameras.

https://www.lse.ac.uk/News/Latest-news-from-LSE/2017/10-October-2017/Speed-cameras-reduce-road-accidents-and-traffic-deaths-according-to-new-study

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[–] verysoft@kbin.social 21 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Speed cameras do prevent speeding, they are used to trap in some cases, but almost always they are sign posted, which causes people to slow down.

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[–] Aatube@kbin.social 17 points 10 months ago (4 children)

How so? Isn't knowing the consequence a form of prevention?

[–] highenergyphysics@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (5 children)

You’ll never get a real answer because the types of people that post these idiotic disingenuous complaints about speed cameras have nothing to say to the simple question:

Why not just drive within the speed limit?

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[–] CommodoreSixtyFour_@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 10 months ago (15 children)

That is a bad take.

TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.

There are rules that every driver has to adhere to. The rules are there for protection of the drivers and the people that rely on the drivers driving safely. But the thing is: without consequences, some people show bad behaviour, one being ignoring the rules which are made to keep people safe. In order to suppress such behaviour, fines and punishment are used.

I have been driving cars for around 10 years and have gotten a fine three times. The amount I paid for it in total was roughly 10 Euros per year, which is less than 1 Euro per month. And I could have avoided having to pay this by just being mindful and acting according to the rules, which I did not.

If people feel like they should drive 120 kmh in a 50 kmh zone or even worse, without any proper justification, they do not belong behind the wheel of a car.

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[–] wopazoo@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago

Do you not feel discouraged from speeding or running red lights when there are traffic enforcement cameras watching?

[–] yA3xAKQMbq@lemm.ee 39 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Governments are clamping down on protests against climate change: * silence *

Some idiots cut down speed cameras the people living there specifically asked for: YEAH! Fuck the police!!!1! Rage against the machine!!!1! Fuck mass surveillance!!!1!

Priorities , I guess.

[–] Microplasticbrain@lemm.ee 22 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Its easy to cut down a camera... How the fuck would you even go about trying to fix the first one a petition or someshit? Booooring fires up chainsaw

[–] explodicle@local106.com 13 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Not that I would ever seriously suggest this, but we could start crowdfunding the sabotage of polluting factories. Payout goes to whichever anonymous person correctly "guesses" the downtime. Just joking of course.

[–] Microplasticbrain@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago

Man I would love to see that happen in a video game

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[–] Rom@hexbear.net 23 points 10 months ago (3 children)

If people are driving too fast on a road then the road is badly designed. Speed cameras are a bandage covering up the problem of shit infrastructure.

[–] mondoman712@lemmy.ml 11 points 10 months ago

Better infrastructure would be great, but there will always be places where you will need to drive slower than the designed speed, and drivers should be able to follow that if they're going to be allowed to pilot a large and dangerous vehicle.

[–] wopazoo@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Traffic calming and speed cameras are carrot and stick in lowering the speed of roads. Lowering the design speed of roads alone is never going to stop drivers in a hurry from driving dangerously fast. People aren't deterred from commiting crimes by heavy penalties, they are deterred by the chance of getting caught. Automatic traffic enforcement raises that chance to 100%.

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (14 children)

Lowering the design speed of roads alone is never going to stop drivers in a hurry from driving dangerously fast

Why wouldn't it? If drivers feel unsafe speeding down a road then they simply won't speed, rendering speed cameras unnecessary. If you see a speed bump ahead of you aren't you going slow down?

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[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago (8 children)

I mean so what's to be done then. I agree on "redesign pretty much every street or road" but like, until then, it's just a great big free for all?

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[–] OmnipotentEntity@beehaw.org 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (25 children)

"Speed trap" cameras are an entirely apt name. The solution to speeding isn't cameras, or patrols, or administrative controls, it's traffic calming, and that reduces capacity, so it's not considered. The trap is driving on the road at speeds they seem to be designed for, with speed limits significantly lower.

Fuck cars, but fuck cops more. We don't need to live in a panopticon. These cameras are a step in the wrong direction, and while I don't think the person who cut them down is doing the right thing for the right reasons, they are doing the right thing.

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[–] Steve@startrek.website 20 points 10 months ago

Lol when I read the title I was happy for them

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (36 children)

Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.

When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.

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[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 6 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


A speed camera that was only recently replaced was among two cut down overnight in Cornwall.In the latest attack on the county's speed traps, police said the speed camera at Perranarworthal had been cut down for a second time after it was first vandalised in October 2023 and replaced in November.Another camera was also attacked on Tregolls Road in Truro at about 03:10 GMT, officers said.Devon and Cornwall Police said those responsible had left the scene before officers arrived.

The cameras in Perranarworthal were installed in March 2023 after campaigning from residents.Cornwall Councillor Peter Williams, who represents Perranarworthal, said: "It is absolutely horrendous why people go and do these things under the noses of where people live.

The speed camera on Tregolls Road in Truro had more than 17,000 activations the year after it was installed, according to police.Loic Rich, Truro City Councillor for the Tregolls Ward, said parents had complained about the dangers of speeding in the area.He said: "Where the speed camera is, or was, it's used by parents taking their children to two primary schools ... it's one of the busiest crossings in Truro and there's been a number of quite bad accidents.

"For hundreds of people in that area, the speed cameras actually had a really positive effect on their quality of life.

"Whoever's cut down the speed camera, and I don't know why they've done that or what they're trying to achieve, I think it's a real shame.

Cornwall Council and Devon and Cornwall Police, both members of the Vision Zero Road Safety partnership, said in a joint statement that they were disappointed to see "yet more mindless vandalism targeted at safety cameras".They said: "These devices were installed at the wishes of the community to improve road safety in areas, which had previously experienced high speeds and several serious and fatal collisions.“While these cameras are inactive, these communities no longer have the protection they were once afforded, which is really saddening.“The cost of replacing these cameras is also a burden which has to be footed by the taxpayer, making these attacks all the more bizarre."


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