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Personally I think that azerty was meant made by drunk students trying to troll people but it somehow caught on.

  • Hey, qwerty is kinda bad... You think we could try to make one that's even worse to mock it?
  • Oooh that'd be hilarious! Let's make a French version of qwerty but a lot worse!
  • I know, lets put dead keys for all accents except for the accent aigu so that when you need it on an uppercase letter you CAN'T type it!
  • Ahah good one! Let's also not add anyway to type an uppercase cedilla! Imagine, a French keyboard that can't type uppercase é and ç !
  • And what if we rearrange all the punctuation and symbols so that the open and closed parenthesis are no longer next to each other? It'd be sooo funny!
  • Right right! Let's do it too for the brackets and curly braces too!
  • Good one! How about we don't add guillemets which are used in French instead of english double quotes, so that people will be forced to type double quotes and their advanced text editors will have to automatically replace them by guillemets so that the text uses correct punctuation for French?
  • That's so sneaky! Let's also add § so you can cite your sources with the correct paragraph symbol, but not use real quotations marks for the quotes!
  • What else would be really stupid?
  • Let's use one key for a random greek letter!
  • What?
  • You know, like α and β?
  • Ermm... okay... which one? α or β?
  • Neither, people might actually use those once every 2 years. Let's just pick one at random!
  • µ it is! Has anyone even seen that letter used in a French text?
  • Nope, never, so it's perfect!
  • How about also adding ¤?
  • What the hell is ¤?
  • I haven't the faintest clue! And neither do you or most people! That why it's funny!
  • Sure, why not, let's cram pointless characters and not add actually useful ones like guillemets! Any other ideas?
  • Let's put the hyphen on the one most unreachable key!
  • Oh that's a good one!
  • I got better! Let's put the period on the same key as the semicolon, but with the semicolon as the default character, and periods will be Shift+semicolon! That way we can say that it's canonically why French phases are long-winded: it's easier to type a comma or semicolon than a period!
  • Man you're hilarious!

When I was still on Windows I put qwerty as my keyboard layout and used the Alt+number shortcuts for accents because that was less painful than using azerty... Those shortcuts didn't work anymore when I switched to linux so I had to find a real solution, which ended up being a colemak base which I modified to add accented letters. I don't like bepo, it moves z x c v and I like them being in the same place as in qwerty for the shortcuts I'm used to, and I didn't know qwerty-fr existed at the time 😅

Do you have worse for your language?

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[–] Jack@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Aren't the A and Q keys also at terrible positions?

[–] phantomwise@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

Good point I'd forgotten about that! We use A a lot and Q almost never so obviously we need both letters switched around so that the pinkie is on the letter Q and A is harder to reach 😂

[–] Gueoris@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (6 children)

As an azerty user, I don't see the issue with the uppercase accent letter. It's super easy to do on linux, no?

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[–] brianary@startrek.website 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you don't like BÉPO because you want familiar letter-based clipboard shortcuts, you've already made a better layout selection impossible. I learned to use the older clipboard shortcuts: ctrl+ins for copy, shift+ins for paste, and shift+del for cut. Those are still as universally supported.

[–] Troz@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Those are not nearly as conveniently located for left handed use though. Having z x c and v all easily reachable with my left pinky on control and my right hand on my mouse tops any other benefit of another keyboard layout.

[–] brianary@startrek.website 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I use them fine with my left hand. There's no reason to stay on home row if you're doing a lot of copy and paste. Of course, if you're doing that much copy and paste, using an extension that allows VIM shortcuts would be much faster.

[–] eutampieri@feddit.it 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

DK/SE layout is surprisingly good for european languages, say better than the Italian one

[–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

until you need a ^ and have to deal with dead keys

[–] eutampieri@feddit.it 1 points 1 week ago

Ah yeah, right…

[–] Flames5123@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

I actually use Coleman for work. It feels so much nicer to type on vs qwerty. It reduces same finger movement (like e & d on qwerty) and enables common synergies, like ie/ei, ne/en, sr/rs, ar, st/ts, etc. It was also easy to switch to vs other layouts like Dvorak because it keeps important hotkeys where they should be, like ctrl+a/q/z/x/c/v so you don’t accidentally close a program while trying to select all.

I still use QWERTY often for my home PC because I play games and type at the same time and don’t want to change every hot key for every game.

[–] bund@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

can confirm, it’s the worst

[–] Frederic@beehaw.org 1 points 1 week ago

eille wow non étant Français, AZERTY c'est cool :)

¤ is the currency symbol

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