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[–] MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 10 hours ago

I deeply wish this would happen, but know it would never happen in my lifetime in my country.

I've been working full time, sometimes overtime, for almost five years out of college. I want to practice piano more. I'd love to volunteer. I want to go outside more. I've always wanted to spend a month backpacking in the Pacific Northwest. It's been my lifelong dream to write a book.

I'm so exhausted after work every single day that I can only get myself to play piano for a half an hour, and then play video games or read until I pass out before my bedtime.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 50 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Lol. This country just voted to move in the opposite direction of this. We voted for less worker rights. Less power for the average person.

At this point, we'll need to start utilizing our 2nd amendment right if we want to get anything better than what we have. People died to give us the 40 hour work week. Looks like that's going to have to happen again for any further improvements.

Smarter countries did it without the bloodshed. America isn't that smart.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 day ago (6 children)

My dipshit coworkers think trump will actually be good for unions. Mfers.

I'd like to add that 32 hour weeks is pretty much purely something that works for white collar work. It's considerably harder to implement in blue collar settings.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

My dipshit coworkers think trump will actually be good for unions. Mfers.

Are y'all in a union? If so, you should see if you and your friends could maybe schedule an appointment with an organizer at your Local, who might be able to walk these chuds through it.

We are already unionized, which tbh makes it worse.

It's part of my position as union stewards duty to walk these chuds through it

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago

Not true. The electricians in my area work 7 hour days and the sheet metal workers get every other Friday off.

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[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 8 points 20 hours ago

Okay i agree now what

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I would literally take a life for that work balance.

40-50hrs a week isn't a life worth living

[–] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Ikr. I can't even find time to go to gym cuz of commute. That alone just drains whatever energy I had left from the day and so I just scrap by with the few things I can do later in the evening. Sucks man.

[–] dogs0n@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

The next ad you see: "The only device that lets you work-out, on your way-out, to work!"

A sad world indeed.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 12 points 1 day ago

Start paying people enough that they can actually live instead of struggling just to keep their heads above water.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Your premise is flawed in the first sentence - "Want happier employees?" No American employer cares about that in the least. Being happy at being allowed to keep their job and keep showing up to collect your meager pay is about all you can expect.

[–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago

came in to comment effectively this., but you phrased it better than I would have.

"But happy employees naturally work harder" yeah, but so do desperate employees, and that also satisfies corpo desire for abusable slaves.

[–] danielquinn@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

4 weeks is still not on par with other civilised countries. Living here in the UK now, 5 weeks is standard. When I was in the Netherlands I was getting six.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Know what really hurts?

Running into foreigners in your own city who tell you about how they're on a multi-week vacation to America and they'll probably do it again to another country again next year. I've had that happen multiple times while out at bars in my city.

Meanwhile, I've barely crossed state lines in my entire adulthood because it's hard to even get a 3-4 day extended weekend.

America sucks y'all.

Join a union. I work part time in America. After just one year of working I had 3 weeks of vacation. After 3 I now have 4 weeks and am taking my 2nd international trip of the year and 3rd vacation trip of the year.

Or better yet, unionize your own workplace with vacations as the primary demand

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 6 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

No matter how valid the premise is, that headline kills this article. It should say, "Want More Productivity? Start with yada yada..."

[–] shininghero@pawb.social 5 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

32 hour workweeks AND lower the overtime threshold to match. And that's just using my office job as a basis.

The threshold from part-time to full-time will also need to be lowered accordingly for grocery store/fast food type jobs.

[–] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago

Don't forget keeping yearly salary the same.

[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago

Lmao they don't want happier employees they want more money

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

Don't forget the healthy dose of salary and humane treatment.

[–] Therobohour@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (14 children)

Wait,you guys don't get that? Shit I'm.here in Northern Ireland and that would be less than standard. That's what we give teenagers,hell,most teens would not take that deal. When did America start treating the worker so bad? Like 1865?

[–] ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

America was built on treating the worker badly. Most of the first people that came here were either slaves or indentured servants. Chinese people got exploited to build the railroads, and then banned from being citizens in the country. Now we have prison slavery and wage servitude. There are a million and one examples, but exploiting the worker is as American as apple pie.

The only thing that has ever really improved in American labor is actual safety standards for work environments, equipment, etc. We do a great job of prioritizing that. But actual workers are viewed as expendable, and many of the largest employers are just meat grinders even if they offer half-decent benefits. Walmart is a good example of that

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[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"But worker rights that is socialism! Socialism is evil because the soviets say they are that!"

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[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

we never stopped. One week vacation per year is considered a perk at most jobs that offer it.

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[–] mrodri89@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 day ago

4 weeks vacation is too small.

Make it 8. Rest is fine.

[–] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 15 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Also worth mentioning from the article,

I work fully in the office. But I think remote work is better for work-life balance. I don't have the option to work remote

Well, why not? Covid showed how great this can work .. but so many companies went back to 20th century norms as soon as the pandemic ended*

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[–] UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Unfortunately the leading point of view from employers

Is that if an employee is happy with their job... THEY ARE NOT WORKING HARD ENOUGH.

They feel that ONLY those who hate their jobs .. are efficient

[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

i dont WANT happier employees i want MONEY!

[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 111 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Want happier employees?

No. American corporations absolutely do not care about how happy their employees are. They only care about maximizing profits, and the best way to do that is to squeeze as much productivity out of their workers while also paying those workers as little as possible.

They know the workers aren't there to find fucking happiness. Few are so privileged. Most people go to work not because it makes them happy, but because they need the god damn money, to keep a roof over their head and to put food on the dinner table, and as everything gets more expensive, the workers need more and more money, to stave off homelessness and destitution. Happiness, Jesus Christ. What a luxury!

The purpose of capitalism isn't to make people happy. It's to make profit for owners. That's it.

[–] coaxil@lemm.ee 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

It's not even about max productivity, as it's well established over long run you get better productivity in many jobs working 4 days and better vacation etc, the suffering is literally the point for many of these fucks. Whether they admit this outright or not

[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago

It's hard to explain, but I have a hard time believing it's just sadism. Maybe it has to do with the productivity gains from a four day work week taking time to realize. Like you said, over the long run you get better productivity, but maybe the corporations are just more interested in short term profits.

[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 11 points 1 day ago

That goal is too modest. We shouldn't settle until Keynes prediction of a 15-hour workweek is fulfilled.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 day ago

Pay enough for them to afford two kids, a house and a car without dual-income and don't have them work so many hours they can't enjoy them.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Only 4 weeks? In much of Europe, 5-6 weeks is the norm.

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[–] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 81 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Want happier employees?

No, not really.
- The owner class

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[–] lime@feddit.nu 42 points 1 day ago (1 children)

four weeks? hell no, i'd walk from any interview that attempted to strip two weeks of vacation from me.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Exactly. The "wild fantasies" of Americans seem to be "below average" European.

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[–] tauren@lemm.ee 15 points 1 day ago (5 children)

But companies don’t want happier employees. With that title this article will never break out of the echo chamber and reach employers.

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