"Top virologists raise alarm" ..... that didn't help last time. People and government won't take notice or want to take action until we see people with blood coming out of their eyes and dying in the streets, and even then, everyone will be more worried about the economy than in the body count.
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at least worrying about the economy would be an improvement to just worrying about their personal freedom
They'll just ask the elderly to die again
They wanted blue cities to die first. But somehow thought it would never get to the red places.
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I need to watch 28 days later again.
The third pandemic is a good book about a variety of diseases, including bird flu, mingling in a host (bird) body, morphing into a superbug, and wiping out huge swaths of the population.
If you like to read, it’s quite good, if a bit long. (but notably I read it in 5th grade and hauled around a dictionary for a lot of it.. it sticks hard in my memory, because my step dad gave it to me after finishing it himself, and it was a challenge. One of our few shared positive things from the era where he almost killed me multiple times.. but I haven’t read it in a hot minute; just shy of 30 years..)
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The US will end up with the highest fatality ratio than any other country and Trump will still blame Biden and Hillary's emails
In the U.S., RFK has promised to personally consume every dead bird he finds on the side of the road.
I knew there had to be at least one positive trait.
He actually does have one positive trait: he's open to the idea of psychedelics for the treatment of mental health disorders. Past administrations have had way too much love for the Nixon-era "War on Drugs" DEA schedule, which treats magic mushrooms as more dangerous than fentanyl. It doesn't make up for all the other damage he's doing, and even this one thing he probably won't handle in an appropriate way, since he's also, y'know, incompetent. But it's conceivable that this one thing could move in a good direction despite his leadership.
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Future historians will say that Donald the dumb was a plague spreader.
don't forget RFK Jr who suggested that people drink raw milk amidst an H5 breakout
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Im just worried how bad it can get. 90% fatalities to pregnant women, that high. That's not the COVID 1-2%
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Yeah, and this time masks will be illegal.
They can pry them out of my cold, dead hands.
Well that drinking raw milk is paying off, congrats. Someone should strap RFK Jr to a chair and make him drink gallons of infected raw milk.
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Meanwhile my country's most powerful public health official: "vaccines are dangerous because they train viruses to be stronger, we should instead simply infect as many birds as possible"
I have a buddy who is a virologist. He sends me shit all the time about bird flu. The gain of function tests on it is wild. Also, note that we have seen this shit coming since 2012
- Fouchier, R.A.M., et al. (2012). "Airborne transmission of influenza A/H5N1 virus between ferrets."
Published in: Science
Summary: Demonstrated that a small number of mutations could allow H5N1 to spread via respiratory droplets in ferrets.
Link: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1213362
- Herfst, S., et al. (2012). "Airborne transmission of influenza A/H5N1 virus between ferrets."
Published in: Science (companion to Fouchier’s work)
Link: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22723413/
- Imai, M., et al. (2012). "Experimental adaptation of an influenza H5 HA confers respiratory droplet transmission to a reassortant H5 HA/H1N1 virus in ferrets."
Published in: Nature
Summary: Kawaoka’s lab showed that reassortment of H5N1 with pandemic H1N1 genes could enable airborne spread in ferrets.
Link: https://www.nature.com/articles/nature10831
- Zhang, Y., et al. (2013). "H5N1 hybrid viruses bearing 2009/H1N1 virus genes transmit in guinea pigs by respiratory droplet."
Published in: Science
Summary: Chinese researchers found that hybrid viruses combining H5N1 with H1N1 pandemic genes could spread between mammals.
Link: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1243362
- National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity (NSABB) Reports (2012).
Summary: Initially recommended redacting details of GoF studies due to bioterrorism concerns, later reversed.
2012? Bird flu been warned about since 2005 at least in my memory
The first case was in 1959 in Scotland. The first human case was in 1996 or 1997 in China. Then around 2002, there was an outbreak in SE Asia that caused alarm then in 2005 it spread by wild birds into Europe and triggered a big WHO warning. The first gain of function tests was in 2011 and 2012. My comment was about the gain of function tests. I probably could have worded it better
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Not now
This is literally the worst possible time for it to happen. If you think global trade and prices are fucked right now then just you wait.
And they mostly won't
Just saying this based off covid which came after sars2 and i remember in each time there were warning signs way WAY before and nobody really bothered.
Sure, covid may have shaken governments a bit and people maybe finally remember, but most will just let it go happen until its right around the door, to only then spring in action when its again too late
Thankfully the US has a president who is deeply experienced in pandemic management and bringing society together in common cause so I should manage ok. 😭
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How to prepare for this shit again? I guess I can start by storing some masks, and a lot more food.
Any advice or thoughts? I can work from home fulltime, and grocery deliveries is possible.
My recommendation is to honestly just do what we did during covid. The government likely won't be enforcing anything this time so we're probably gonna be on our own. Also I recommend stocking up on things asap. We're already having supply chain issues and it's gonna get infinitely worse if or when this pops off.
I live in Norway, so the government will do everything in it's power to protect its citizens probably. Like it did during COVID.
Theres no supply chain issues here currently either. During COVID pretty much everything was available besides acceptably priced GPUs
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Don't worry, just inject bleach! It worked last time. /s
This Week in Virology talks a bit about this at the 10min mark TWiV 1214: Clinical update with Dr. Daniel Griffin
Episode webpage: https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-1214/
Media file: https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/twiv/TWiV1214.mp3?dest-id=25528
Also worth bookmarking the CDC summary... For as long as it's up. https://www.cdc.gov/bird-flu/situation-summary/index.html
