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[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 days ago

How is it better than trains again?

[–] andybytes@programming.dev 11 points 2 days ago

I wonder if this is gonna be like Waymo, where statistically speaking, the amount of cars that they had on the road, with how many crashes they had, it was deemed ineffective and dangerous, but as soon as they reduced the cars on the road they had less incidents because less odds. At this point, they probably continue to suck up subsidies and donar $ so they keep their little goofy business afloat. So what happens now? When It crashes into a school bus, who is held accountable? This is not a good idea. We need to tax the rich and corporations shouldn't have so much power. We didn't ask for this future. Anybody with a damn lick of sense knows that this is a stupid idea. Also, why? Like, just make more trains. America is so stupid. The fact that you just fight over cars versus walkable cities. I am actively trying to find a way out of here. These are horrific insanely stupid ideas. It's like doing it the hard way because you're too prideful to admit that you have a shitty infrastructure.I have seen Europe, I have experienced it, and it is far superior to the shitty infrastructure of the United States. I was born in America. I lived in America, but I do not identify with this way of life or culture. My head spins with just where people's minds are at in this country. How little they know. It's terrifying. If you're out there, just know. It is better elsewhere and chase those goals. You're not crazy. There's a better world. Not perfect, but a better world out there. Leave if you want to leave, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 179 points 3 days ago (11 children)

Americans will do anything to avoid just using trains.

[–] muusemuuse@lemm.ee 32 points 3 days ago

Trains help poor people too. We like to pretend we don’t have poor people. Makes them easier to ignore while pretending to be Christian.

[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 77 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (14 children)

While I don't necessarily disagree with you, trains are used here all the time specifically for long haul stuff.

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I used to be the shipping/receiving guy in a warehouse, it fell to me to arrange all of our freight pickups, which was annoying because I didn't really have direct access to any information about pricing, deadlines, etc. so I was constantly going back to the office to show someone quotes to see whether the rates and transit times were acceptable.

Most of our freight was LTL stuff (less than truckload, a couple pallets, not enough to fill a truck by itself) but a few times every month or two we'd get full truckload sized orders.

When it came to them, often "intermodal" shipping had much better rates. Intermodal meaning at least 2 different forms of transportation were going to be used. Truck, train, boat, cargo plane, etc.

As a US-based company with mostly US-based customers, that usually meant rail for us.

However, almost none of our shipments went intermodal because it was too slow for our customers.

It wasn't usually a drastic difference, we're talking maybe 1-3 extra days in most cases. Over the Road (OTR) there weren't many places in the US that we couldn't get freight to from our location in 5 days or less, and those 5 day locations were mostly real middle-of-nowhere customers on the other side of the country.

It always blew my mind that we didn't or couldn't push our customers to just place orders 2 or 3 days earlier to save some pretty significant money on shipping.

I don't claim to know much about the industry, i was just some kid who needed a job and ended up the shipping guy because I knew how to use a computer and spoke English. But we a textile company that made things like work clothes (chef coats, scrubs, industrial work wear, etc) and restaurant table linens, and we sold mostly to bigger wholesalers, business service companies, etc. who would resell it or provide it to their customers as part some sort of contracted laundry service or something, so not really something I'd think of as being particularly time-sensitive or wildly unpredictable that they couldn't anticipate their bigger orders a couple days ahead of time

Guess it probably says something about how much we all love instant gratification.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Inventory became evil decades ago. “Just In Time” logistics became the norm instead of having warehoused inventory on hand. The beancounters all decided inventory was money that was sitting around not doing anything and maintaining the warehouse space cost more too. Can’t have those costs on the balance sheet. So speed in receiving smaller shipments more often is now the norm, along with ordering when you need them instead of ordering ahead of time, because some beancounter isn’t gonna be happy about extra inventory.

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

Honestly, in that case it's not even an inventory thing, just plan on ordering a couple days earlier and go for the longer slower shipping method so it ends up arriving on the same day. You don't have to warehouse it any longer than if you ordered it later with faster shipping, and you save a decent chunk of cash.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago

The beancounters are right about the costs. What they're not right about is the risks. JIT supply chains are much more fragile, and to achieve some degree of resiliency, even sophisticated manufacturers will often mantain stockpiles of some critical goods. And things get even more funky when there's only one good supplier for something, or the cost of switching suppliers is high.

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[–] fishos@lemmy.world 49 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Except that nearly all US rail is for freight. We hate PASSENGER trains. We freaking love freight rail.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Except that's rail only carries 16% of freight by weight and 2% of freight by value.

Pretty sure USA hates freight rail too.

https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/fact-846-november-10-2014-trucks-move-70-all-freight-weight-and-74-freight-value

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[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

But american freight trains are laughably bad too

https://youtu.be/AJ2keSJzYyY

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[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Good. No more freedom convoy MAGA base.

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[–] rekabis@programming.dev 9 points 2 days ago

Not after the first snowfall, they won’t.

[–] Sunsofold@lemmings.world 9 points 2 days ago

Great, just in time for the number of shipments of imports needing to be distributed across the US to plummet...

[–] twopi@lemmy.ca 105 points 3 days ago (15 children)

Why not make automated trains with their own dedicated right of way?

[–] Rambomst@lemmy.world 75 points 3 days ago (1 children)

But that would require investment in infrastructure...

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Bet that semi trucks are more expensive due to road damage and congestion alone.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I've already commented on road damage, but yeah, trucking firms bear no costs for the congestion and other road hazards they bring with them. Society, as is so often the case, sucks up those externalities.

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[–] mriguy@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yes, but that’s all subsidized by taxpayers, so it’s more expensive overall but cheaper for YOU.

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[–] yggstyle@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

*** everyone but the lobbyists liked that ***

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[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 62 points 3 days ago (5 children)

As of Thursday, the company’s self-driving tech has completed over 1,200 miles without a human in the truck.

That's not an impressive number. That's like 2 days' worth of driving.

[–] 11111one11111@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

It's 5 one way trips. The article says the trucks run from Dallas to Houston which is about 250 miles according to google. It does mention that over 4 years it's made 10,000 deliveries but I wasn't sure if that meant as a company or with the self driving trucks but had a driver in the truck for the 10,000 deliveries. It only specifies that the 1,200 miles has been done without a person in the truck.

[–] suicidaleggroll@lemm.ee 26 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (7 children)

Yeah that's about 2 and a half round-trips between Dallas and Houston, that's...not a lot to be calling this thing ready to go and pulling out the safety drivers.

I wonder how these handle accidents, traffic stops, bad lane markings from road construction, mechanical failure, bad weather (heavy rain making it difficult/impossible to see lane markings), etc.

You'd think they would be keeping the safety drivers in place for at least 6+ months of regular long-haul drives and upwards of 100k miles to cover all bases.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago

You'd think that, but you're talking about Texas, where corporate profit always wins over people's safety and well-being.

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[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 58 points 3 days ago (13 children)

Great... I can't wait to be hit by one of those on my motorcycle

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 45 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'd actually bet they're safer than some tweaked out dude on his 20th hour at the wheel.

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[–] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)
[–] Upgrayedd1776@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

ahhh yes, before he was Gustavo Frein, he was the dude killed by a video game in this

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[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 33 points 4 days ago (3 children)

What an incredibly infuriating waste of effort that would be so much better spent on trains, driverless or otherwise.

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[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 24 points 4 days ago (5 children)

And how do they handle a person slowing down in front of them and hijacking them? At least a human might be able to navigate away aggressively but I think the programming would prevent as much harm as possible.

This new lawless future and we may need to raid corpo lords.

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

I can't really imagine people wanting to hijack a truck that's basically a giant camera and tracking system.

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I dunno I can see it being done, go in first with a drone and blind the cameras one by one (not hard to rig it up with spray paint) then grab the goods, pick an isolated section of the route so you're gone by the time anyone comes looking.

I for one predict a glorious era of road pirates.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago

I'd pay to see that movie.

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