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Now I understand why at each windows 11 update, they introduce more bugs than ever

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[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 30 points 6 days ago (4 children)

If they mean “30% of the code we wrote last month” then I might believe it. Though I bet it is not across the board but deep in one or two areas. Still, it’s a crazy number.

But he said something like “30% of the code in our repositories” which would mean everything, including their entire legacy of code. And that I simply do not believe.

[–] Womble@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Its a shit article with Tech crunch changing the words to get people in a flap about AI (for or against), the actual quote is

"I'd say maybe 20 percent, 30 percent of the code that is inside of our repos today and some of our projects are probably all written by software"

"Written by software" reasonably included machine refactored code, automatically generated boilerplate and things generated by AI assistants. Through that lens 20% doesnt seem crazy.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 3 points 6 days ago

I've been "automatically writing code" for a system of about a dozen modules - we specify a glue file in .json between all the modules and the code generating software makes units to go in each module to do the communication interfacing based on the glue spec. That system has been running for more than 10 years now, it writes a couple hundred thousand lines of "new code" every time we modify the glue file.

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[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 9 points 6 days ago

My first thought on reading that is: yeah, like about 98% of the human genome is "junk DNA" that we have little or no idea what it might be doing. Sometimes when we cut it out, nobody ever notices, sometimes when we cut it out the system won't boot up.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

It wouldn't surprise me at all if they entered the entire codebase for Windows 11 into an LLM and asked it to optimize it or some shit lol

[–] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

And surprise surprise, it's worse than ever

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[–] degen@midwest.social 2 points 6 days ago

lmao I just said the same thing before reading your comment

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[–] chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Stole it as if I wrote it

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 24 points 6 days ago

"30% of my pants is pooped"

[–] joelfromaus@aussie.zone 37 points 6 days ago (2 children)

This is my own experience but the past few years Windows has been extremely dependable for me and then in the last few months the updates they’ve have been terrible. I’ve seen more blue screens recently than I have in a lot of years.

All this to say that if it is 30% AI code being used then it’s very telling!

[–] themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

Windows was always garbage to be honest, windows 7 was the best release in my opinion. You are correct though it is way worse these past months. By the way does your mouse lag when the update notification comes up?

[–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 6 days ago

i had such a bad experience with 7, it was horribly unstable on a computer that had handled vista just fine. i switched to 8 as soon as i could and was better off for it.

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[–] ano_ba_to@sopuli.xyz 3 points 6 days ago

I don't remember in my 2 decades of working my work machine causing me to lose work due to a Windows update. In the last year, it happened to me 3 times. One was due to Crowdstrike. The latest update also recently broke my remote setup. Not completely their fault but still a crappy time. The one other time was due to an update (must've been the forced win11 one) killing the wifi and then Windows hiding any options to fix it, a bug from Windows 10.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 31 points 6 days ago

Government spyware finally has a challenger for the title of "primary reason that most Microsoft software runs like hot garbage".

[–] TwinTitans@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago

Yeah, I can tell every time I have to use that dinosaur of an OS.

[–] Bieren@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Work for a big software company. With all the offshoring of devs, I expect most of our code is now AI. And it shows.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

How does it show? (Asking for red flags, not to create an argument).

[–] chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Quality degredation and Disjointed experience comes to minds. Microsofts tech is such a mess right now i dont know how they come back from it honestly. Too many competing frameworks, bad schemas, broken tooling, bad documentation.

Im not even factoring in windows 11.

I used to be a windows dev guy, but with this landscape I dunno why i would do it to myself. Developing for linux systens is such a better experience. At least there are standards and ubernerds who adhere to them.

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[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 18 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Is this why they haven't said why they one folder needs to be there. They actually don't know.

[–] spicehoarder@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] JSens1998@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Basically, there was a security flaw with Microsoft's Internet Information Services (web server software) that could be exploited by an attacker to gain access to files and folders they shouldn't be able to (permission escalation?). Well, instead of providing an actual fix to the problem as a whole, they applied a bandaid fix by creating a new folder named "inetpub" on peoples system drive, and apparently the presence of the folder is able to prevent the exploit from working. People noticed the folder and deleted it because they thought it was being created by an attacker, so Microsoft had to tell people not to delete it.

[–] spicehoarder@lemm.ee 1 points 5 days ago

Wow, so my decision to switch my machines over to Linux by win10 EOL really isn't overkill.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

Satya Nadella has given an evasive answer there and both Zuckerberg and the journalists have been taken in.

It is common in programming languages that have a lot of boilerplate to use code generation, where you take some information about data and generate code automatically, like code that translates data between formats (for example reading and writing xml for saving to disk or json to send over the network). Being very routine to write and easy to deduce logically from other information, this process has been automated for years and years, long before AI existed.

Microsoft's flagship software such as operating systems, office software, is unbelievably vast and complex, far beyond the complexity of most business software, and has been developed over decades. They absolutely have not replaced 30% of their code since the very recent advent of useful AI. I can believe that 30% of it is automatically generated, but not by AI.

[–] Teknikal@eviltoast.org 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Windows is 95 percent pure bloat now imo, an os just needs to handle my hardware and launch my programs anything else is just eating my resources.

[–] misteryscience@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago

I don’t need any assistance from anything while my phasers and quantums aren’t doing anything. I don’t need AI doing anything when I finally get the proper setup for crashing a Tomcat into a big old mountain that only a fool would miss. I don’t need any bloat while I’m ripping off an old cartoon character for a D&D campaign.

[–] MTK@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago

We can tell

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

Wonder how much of Windows 10 was written by Stack Exchange?

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

And its all Teams.

[–] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] bhamlin@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

If you count all of my contributions, 0%.

None of my contributions have been included. I am a terrible programmer.

[–] Antaeus@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

Copilot. Piloting you towards effortless bugs, and with all the telemetry, we don’t need to test our patches and updates. You, the user are doing that for us. Sincerely, Microsoft.

[–] spicehoarder@lemm.ee 5 points 6 days ago

Are they including stuff written by intellisence and boiler plate for legacy code?

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Is the part that handles images in word

[–] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 2 points 5 days ago

Does that mean that Microsoft shares are gonna crash?

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