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Reminder that "muh 2a" was written over a half a century before the first mass produced revolver and the conical bullet.
Guns were a very different concept and proposition for the founders. The very few weapons of the time that could be fired more than once in quick succession were commissioned individually crafted curiosities.
Also remember that freedom of the press meant physical printing presses where you had to manually move each piece of type by hand, and physically crank the press; anything more modern than that clearly wasn't what they intended, and you shouldn't have it. Like computers; there's no typesetting on a computer, so you need to get rid of them.
Oh, and freedom of religion? That only includes Judeo-Christian religions. Sorry, Wiccans, no religious rights for you.
‘And only white landowners will enjoy these rights.’
To be fair, the thing about guns probably made a lot more sense back then. And freedom of speech is great, until you start dealing with state secrets and national security.
until you start dealing with state secrets and national security.
So you think whistleblowers exposing the crimes of the state should be locked up...
Got it.
Did I say that? reread that, at no point do I say that whistleblowers should be locked up. What I meant is that it becomes much more complex in that context
Yes you did. Government crimes are the State's closest guarded secrets.
then maybe there should be some whistleblower program or something idk. but at the same time people in the military who have secret war plans, shouldn't be allowed to give that to the enemy. look at both sides
They can say whatever they want criticizing the government without retribution from the government is what it means. It was never protecting anyone from openly saying anything they wanted.
You can say you're going to murder your neighbor and be arrested legally and charged legally for it if they find reasonable means you were going to try it.
You can slander/libel someone and legally get sued in civil court as well.
You can say you’re going to murder your neighbor
You're going to murder your neighbor!
Seems like guns make a lot of sense right now too.
The shift in public perception on weapon ownership when they see actual tyrany in america is very interesting. Ive been 100% pro gun and have gotten so much backlash from family and friends for being so. I dont even own a gun and to me it has been obvious that the government and media were using mass shootings (not actually commiting them as far as we know) to disarm the people.
There are and have always been such a large number of safe, moral, and sane gun owners in this country. Normal people who target practice, hunt, shoot competatively, design guns, modify them, defend their homes, study weapon history, or even just put them on display. It baffles me that anyone could be so against normal hard working americans doing no harm whatsoever.
Not a single person I spoke with was ever against owning a car when I brought it up. I was always given the same "its not the same thing". The common denominators in vehicular violence and gun violence are mental health, education, and financial status. I dont want to compare numbers on how many people are killed in either situation because it does not matter. Human lives are lost everyday needlessly to both of these. But only guns get talked about.
Curious to know if you or anyone else have recently become pro gun, or have you always felt this way?
I'm fairly left leaning, in the US I'd own a weapon. But only because of how much they are a part of life there. Living in a country where gun ownership is the exception, I'm only pro gun in the sense that I like things that go boom. What I like more is the relative certainty my neighbor won't pull a piece on me on a bad day and we don't have to kit schools out with dystopian crap like panic rooms in case some deranged lunatic rolls up.
Dont know if youve been to the US or know anyone here personally but guns are not as prevalent as you might think. Theyre definitely "around" but id imagine many people could go their whole life without seeing one. Obviously you have states like texas where they have an open carry day, You can see people walking around with rifles and ARs. But not including police officers, and millitary personel. I just dont see them. Your paranoia is justafied tho, we definitely see the worst of humanity often enough.
They're only a part of life for the gun fetishists, who only really sprung up after the assault weapon can was overturned. If you are not seeking them out, in most states, you don't see them ever.
I'm not a recent pro gun lefty. I grew up in a rural area with a gunsmith father. I've owned firearms in the past sorta kinda, but recently picked up an AR and 9mm.
Nice, my grandpa is a gunsmith. I met alot of really nice people through his buisness. I guess that gave me a unique perspective on this debate. Being from north east USA not many people ive spoken to have aligned with me.
Congrats on the purchases I was considering getting a 9mm for home defense in my new location. But ive also been considering less lethal devices since most violent encounters my family members (grandpa side) have had were de-escalated by simply brandishing their weapon. Also my SO is very anti-gun Id want something even shed feel safe to have around or in the worst possible case use.
You could always try a .22? Still fairly lethal, but a lot less intimidating. Air rifles are another option. You can do some damage with them too.
Since you bring up the car analogy, would you be OK with normal people who target practice, hunt, shoot competitively, etc carrying liability insurance for the weapons they own?