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[–] hamid@vegantheoryclub.org 142 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (12 children)

Before you reply to me directly please understand:

  1. The US overthrew democracy in the country I am from
  2. The US installed a fascist king with secret police that terrorized my family
  3. Once kicked out the US supported a dictator in the neighboring country where the other half of my family lived
  4. The US funded both sides of a war between my country and the neighboring one that led to mass civilian deaths, one side directly by giving a dictator weapons and cash and the other side clandestinely thru laundering money by selling drugs in Latin America
  5. Once they lost that war turned on the dictator in the neighboring country and invented reasons to illegally invade. Twice
  6. Toppled the regime and left a power vacuum that consumed all my family that lived there for literally hundreds of years.
  7. Created material conditions in the country my family is from that forced them to leave or die

You Americans are not the good guys, your country and government is evil to its core.

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Literally hundreds of years?

Good post but that line confused me

[–] hamid@vegantheoryclub.org 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

There are records of my family in Iraq since the 1300s. The Iranian half lived in Abadan for over a thousand years continually.

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 2 points 11 hours ago

Oh oh! I see, Not that America made a power vacuum hundreds of years ago but how long your family was there! Sorry I misunderstood

[–] Treetrimmer@sh.itjust.works 62 points 6 days ago (5 children)

I would try to guess your country but there are too many that the US has done this to

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[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 49 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Have you considered being born to a wealthy white family in the West? I hear it's much easier

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[–] steeznson@lemmy.world 32 points 5 days ago (25 children)

From an outsider's perspective it seems like the Democrats behave like that because the US electorate is genuinely right-wing and need pandered to.

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[–] segabased@lemmy.zip 47 points 6 days ago (28 children)

This fact doesn't really invalidate the initial statement though.

We would not be experiencing what we are currently experiencing presently if the Dems won. This isn't an endorsement of the Dems, just reality

I view voting as a means to steer us to possibilities. Revolution and change won't come through the ballot box but who gets voted in can influence that one way or another.

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[–] NovaOG@lemm.ee 55 points 6 days ago (7 children)

I try to remind people that we have no "Leftist" party or even a "Centre left" party anymore. We have Center right and far right now.

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[–] nek0d3r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 6 days ago (6 children)

That's right, everybody knows that the left and the right are perfectly equally bad, and the act of voting to stop the bleeding and starting a revolution are mutually exclusive /s

And then after years of this nonsense, people wonder how the poor voter turnout that got the fascist elected happened.

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[–] dreugeworst@lemmy.ml 20 points 5 days ago (45 children)

I'm not American but there's so many socialists on here refusing to vote for the lesser evil because they don't offer the right candidates and advocating revolution.

why not take a page from the right's clearly successful playbook and vote more in local politics and primaries. Maga managed to turn the republicans into exactly what they wanted this way, but the American left just sits there waiting for someone to start a revolution.

well I understand it might be late now and elections might not do much going forward, but jesus it's like the only option you guys saw is voting for whoever the parties put toward or revolution.

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[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Reminder that the Democrats would be considered even further right than the Conservative Party in Canada. And Canada itself is still considered pretty right wing with no big leftist parties (NDP is still center-right at best)

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[–] fluppy@lemm.ee 35 points 6 days ago (4 children)

The absolute highest priority in American politics should be getting rid of the 2 party system. I’m not going to pretend to know how exactly, but I think a good step in the right direction would be some form of a ranked voting system.

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