OpenAI declares AI race “over” if training on copyrighted works isn’t fair use : technology

[–] Embargo@lemm.ee 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Oh no! How will I generate a picture of Sam Altman blowing himself now!?

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[+] allo@sh.itjust.works -9 points 17 hours ago (13 children)

Let's say I write a book.

If I don't want people copying it, people shouldn't be copying it. I don't care if it's been 500 years. It's my book.

This is a weird thread. Lots of people for artists losing control of their creations quickly while simultaneously against artist creations being used by others without consent. Just my perspective but why should artists lose control of their own creations at all? The problem in copyright is tech companies doing patent thickets; not artists.

Even artistic creations held by corporations. Waiting for Marvel stuff to hit public domain to publish a bunch of Marvel novels since they can't protect their creations any more? Why is that acceptable? If someone creates something and doesn't want it stolen, I don't give a fuck what the law says, stealing it is theft. The thief should instead be using Marvel stuff as inspiration as they make their own universe; not just waiting an amount of time before stealing someone else's creation without consent. It isn't holding progress back at all to make novel artistic creations instead of steal others. Art = very different from tech.

when I publish a book, to steal it is consenting to be Luigi'd; no matter how long ago it came out.

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[–] Horrabin@programming.dev 6 points 1 day ago

This sounds like socialism is good for capitalists

[–] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 day ago

Good. Fuck off.

[–] patrick@lemmy.bestiver.se 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I don’t think they’re wrong in saying that if they aren’t allowed to train on copyrighted works then they will fall behind. Maybe I missed it in the article, but Japan for example has that exact law (use of copyright to train generative AI is allowed).

Personally I think we need to give them somewhat of an out by letting them do it but then taxing the fuck out of the resulting product. “You can use copyrighted works for training but then 50% of your profits are taxed”. Basically a recognition that the sum of all copyrighted works is a societal good and not just an individual copyright holders.

https://jackson.dev/post/generative-ai-and-copyright/

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[–] Teknikal@eviltoast.org 2 points 1 day ago

Apparantly their trying to get Deepseek banned again, really doesn't like competition this guy.

[–] Lyooth@lemm.ee 9 points 1 day ago

So all I need to do if I get caught torrenting a movie is say that im training an LLM for subtitles?

[–] shaggyb@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

"How am I supposed to make any money if I can't steal all of my products to sell back to the world that produced them?"

Yeah, fuck that. The whole industry deserves to die.

[–] Zier@fedia.io 18 points 1 day ago (7 children)

If AI gets to use copyrighted material for free and makes a profit off of the results, that means piracy is 1000% Legal. Excuse me while I go and download a car!!

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[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 8 points 1 day ago

Sadly this comes down to OpenAI petitioning Trump, and expecting trump to do anything that could stop a scam like AI is pointless.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago

Porque no los dos?

The ai race is over AND we abolish the copyright bullshit laws we have now?

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 day ago

I always felt using publicly available but copyrighted works could be ok but only if the model is publicly available as well

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