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[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago

Who the hell is Steve Jobs?

[–] rockettaco37@lemmy.world 15 points 11 hours ago

He might've been a marketing genius

Oncology... not so much

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago

Where is the "genius"?

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 21 points 14 hours ago (10 children)

I was reading an interesting article the other day about how after World War II people were obviously opposed to populism, and by the '80s and certainly the '90s people that were born after the war had lost the awareness of the danger that hero worship creates.

At the same time, many organizations including government organizations had failed to update themselves over the years, so people romanticized the idea of someone walking in and magically making the correct snap judgments that would remedy the situation. This was so pervasive in the business world I think in part because it allowed corporate executives to justify f****** over ordinary employees. If the company makes or breaks because of one person at the top, who cares if you're paying people minimum wage and they can't even afford to pay for dental care or a car.

What amazed me is how long that vision of Steve Jobs stuck around. Even in recent years people have been praising him, but if you think of the value in his company, it's mostly a load of s***. Those phones and computers are incredibly overpriced, and they have so many bad aspects, especially lock-in, which most people intuitively understand these days. And still we have Apple addicts.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago

This is the internet. You can say the word fucking.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I'm not an Apple fan, I never liked the way he dictated form and function and told everyone to fuck off about their feelings. Now that said, his leadership did bring some things to market that would not have grown organically, for better or for worse.

The competition had to contend with good phone battery life, unibody laptops with high DPI screens, and large touchpads with physical feedback. Left to their own devices, these companies would have just kept regurgitating/iterating the same cheap designs they had made for decades.

He wasn't magic; if he had any superpower, it was attracting and retaining talent.

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 1 points 35 minutes ago

Pretty sure Apple just packaged shit other companies made with extraordinary marketing. Like the ipod circle everybody went nuts for they settled a lawsuit with creative because of patent infringement. I actually had a creative zen and loved it because it didn't have Apple software trying to control my music library.

[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Jobs created toxic work environments. That’s nothing to envy. Nothing to replicate. But we’re in a capitalist society so fuck your feelings.

[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Jobs created toxic work environments.

...and so did Linus Torvalds*


he's certainly not the embodiment of capitalism. But I absolutely have a huge amount of respect for Torvalds, even if I don't approve of his way of interpersonal/professional style.

(I used to run Arch btw [but I run Debian now].)

*He's supposedly taken steps in the right direction here and has made improvements.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 3 points 10 hours ago

That’s nothing to envy.

I don't think that word, or anything like it appeared in my statement.

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[–] Lionheadbud@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Steve Jobs did actually have multiple operations

[–] Little8Lost@lemmy.world 13 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

An apple a day keeps the doctor away

[–] Gumusservi@lemm.ee 2 points 11 hours ago

true, with just an apple a day only the forensic pathologist will show up

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[–] cdkg@lemm.ee 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Steve jobs ain't a genius. He was just a good salesman.

[–] Juice@midwest.social 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The sales people almost always end up doing well in companies. And then when they get high up in the company they only value others ability to make sales and work for bonuses. As time goes on a company's e-suite gets more and more saturated with charismatic dummies who will do anything for a buck, leaving less room for good administrators and engineers.

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[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 88 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He tried to fight P.C. with apples.

[–] JDPoZ@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

Jesus Christ. That is fucking poetry.

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