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Why does it feel that the evil sides globally are winning. Even evil people are winning. Why?

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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 18 points 4 days ago

Two answers.

Thomas Picketty's Capital in the Twenty-First Century

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_in_the_Twenty-First_Century

Naomi Klein's The Shock Doctrine

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shock_Doctrine

Even reading a brief summary of the main points of both books gets you to a decent explanation.

[–] YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 39 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

My opinion on this generally boils down to that the system has been set up to reward evil/antisocial behavior, and this part of the system is so entrenched and well established and organized that it has not been effectively and completely toppled or eradicated in so long, it has been able to consolidate power and resources to a point where very few extremely evil people are personally in charge of so much of what happens that it seeps into everything. Actually "seeps" is the wrong word, it's injected into everything. It's like has been said many times in recent memory, the cruelty is the point.

For a simplified example, evil executives reward evil behavior by their managers, who in turn punish their employees, who lose control of so much of their lives to these companies and managers that they end up hurting their families and friends out of confusion and anger and other complex emotional reactions, and harm is perpetuated in every area of life.

It's self sustaining, and even worse it replicates itself. In some ways I think of these systems as viruses. Also as cults. We all buy in to some degree.

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[–] ZMoney@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

We have a global economic system that encourages and rewards evil. More and more countries have political systems that do the same. Good people would rather help others and make the world a better place, and this prevents them from attaining power. It would probably require doing some evil to remove the evil people from power.

[–] CompleteUnknown@lemmy.world 35 points 5 days ago (2 children)

All that is required for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

[–] Shizrak@sh.itjust.works 25 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Evil is willing to lie, cheat, steal, and kill to win. As long as good keeps fighting with one hand tied behind its back, evil will keep gaining ground.

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[–] LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 18 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Because class war is being raged but most of the global north working class don't have any class consciousness. Capitalism is working on doing what it has done to the global South for decades but this time to the global North. Fascism is Imperialism turned inward. Welcome to the rest of our lives.

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[–] 7dev7random7@suppo.fi 24 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I just talked to my superior about the most urgent thing EU countries are facing currently. I should add that he is 100% disabled but studied in CS and reads everything which is interesting to him and his world view.

When I said that social media dictates the discussions and the media, we agreed on the thought after a short period.

And if we could solve this issue we mostlikely would get awarded a noble price.

What I am trying to say: Social media is run by - at least - flawed people. And used by the evil ones to their maximum, putting the honest Ones into a position to explain.

We are loosing our discourse, we are mixing our cultures - or we split at our ethics.

Social media is a cancer with no current treatment. Civilians will be in favor of social media since it also benefits society directly. But we are diminishing other things with it.

Maybe there will be one more brilliant mind educated who may aid us in these times.

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

The Algorithm needs to be regulated. (Meaning: Recommendation algorithms should be monitored to make sure that they're not 'discovering' that they can manipulate people with fear, anger and other base negative emotions.)

We already know that the most motivating things for humans is fear and anger/outrage. We also know that these are not healthy emotions for the individual or for society and yet we allow social media algorithms to to maximize engagement using fear and anger.

In addition, it is very hard to craft a message that is both appealing and true. It is much easier to craft a message that is appealing if you can get rid of the Truth constraint.

These are probably the two core issues that are causing us the most strife. Unthinking recommendation algorithms have identified content that stokes base emotions like fear and anger as being the ones that generate the most 'engagement'; and people, seeking to exploit these algorithms for personal gain (advertisers, political actors, etc), craft messages to maximize their engagement (anger/outrage, fear) while ignoring reality/truth/facts because reality is too hard of a constraint.

The flip side of this is that you see people, who practically live on social media, start to unconsciously adopt the same messaging style because it works even better as people become attuned to the fear and outrage.

So, now you have a feedback loop of people being conditioned by algorithms to be maximally outrageous and those masses of people spontaneously generating memes and social connections that reinforce outrage and fear.

This poison is now spreading into our social institutions and governments. Facts matter less than saying things that are outrageous and valuing the truth is obviously a silly proposition. After all, it's plainly obvious that it is much harder to get upvotes if you care about the truth...

Try it, go to a community that matches your political leanings and try to correct misinformation. If you're not banned you will be buried in downvotes because people don't value the truth as much as they value an entertaining lie.

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 15 points 5 days ago (2 children)

IMHO, It's the algorithm that's the real devil.

For a long time, it was us against the bots and the companies. But we no longer know what's being given to us because it matches versus what's being given to us because they're paying for it to be seen.

The danger is the algorithm gives us a steady stream of what we appear to want. It's serotonin. Then it's weaponized. There's no appreciable difference between the ads, the propaganda, the creators honest content and the creators paid content. We're getting echo chambers of what we want and paid advertisements to sure that up.

People see it on Facebook and TikTok and just take it as read that what's being presented is truth. Even the ones that are savvy to bias end up getting swept along with the tide.

The only way to stop this is to demand disinformation and fact-checking. But instead of that, everyone seems to be hell-bent on knocking out private conversation where we might be able to communicate and are being forced to rely solely on whatever the algorithm allows us.

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[–] match@pawb.social 22 points 5 days ago (3 children)

when evil is winning on your nation's scale it feels like it's winning globally. is evil winning in rojava? in southeast asia? is evil winning in the spanish speaking world?

for that matter, what's going on at your state level, or at your city level?

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You are more informed in how shitty the world have always been.

Also the decades from the 90s to the 10s were probably a small golden age that has already ended.

[–] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 5 days ago

I study history a lot, also I’m older so I have the perspective of two or three generations now.

Things have normally been not the idealized concept of Disney princess goodness in government. Evil shits normally have been doing stuff for as long as civilization has existed. So all this is not new.

What is new, and makes this newsworthy, is the masks have fallen off. Those masks and idealized fantasy much of the population indulges in took decades, generations to build up. In many ways this is a very rude culture shock.

The other reason this is important now is the climate is rapidly collapsing while the trade systems have reached unprecedented complexity. So a group of particularly thuggish people rising to power in several nations at once, as they tend to do with regularity. May have epic and disastrous consequences! It’s a really bad time for this to happen

[–] index@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 days ago

Because evil people control all the media

[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Media bias. Trump is outrage and outrage moves views and views are profit. Trump is the greatest thing to happen to the media - regardless of side. We're also more connected today than we ever were before so this media gets to everyone in an instant.

Are evil people really winning globally more than they were in the past? Well.. no. We've seen more shit in the second half of the 20th century than we are now. There's still 25 years to catch up though. Heres some shit thats gone down fro 1950-2000.

  • Cold War - though it does seem like we are moving back to this state, we're far from living like that
  • Korean War, Vietnam War, Kuwait,
  • Cuban Missile Crisis,
  • Basically every Arab nation against Israel - wars galore,
  • Suez crisis,
  • Iranian revolutions,
  • Sino-Soviet Split,
  • India-Pakistan,
  • Soviet-Afghan war,
  • Numerous African civil wars in the 60s, 70s and 90s (till ongoing),
  • South African Apartheid,
  • Numerous south American dictatorships (+ CIA interventions in south America backing right wing dictators),
  • Falklands war - the fucking UK went to war with Argentina in the fucking 80s!
  • All the shit in Yugoslavia (wars, genocide),
  • "The Troubles" in N. Ireland.

A lot of these have been resolved.

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[–] xia@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 5 days ago

My theory is "shallow thinking" and "busy-ness". We are prone to mental and expedient shortcuts which seem benign at the small scale in which we interact, but when aggregated become something terrible... and on the exceedingly rare chance that we might hear an actual solution, it either sounds so foreign to us that we cannot consider it, or so hopeless a fight that the super-majority of people do not push back.

Consider how slippery the slope is for even one aspect (diffuse responsibility):

  • Alice needs help
  • Bob sees that Alice needs help
  • Bob excuses himself from being the one to help (not prepared, wasn't expecting, other obligations, could be a trap, others are better suited to help, the government ought to help)
  • Bob excuses himself from being the one to get help (I don't have the number handy, someone else will call, she probably already called someone for help)

Conceptually, this is fine if it is ONLY "Bob", but the deceptive part is how finite the procedural gap is between Bob being one person and it literally being everyone.... thus Alice gets no help.

[–] ArseAssassin@sopuli.xyz 27 points 5 days ago

I blame the success of neoliberalism (perhaps confusingly, a distinctly conservative project driven by the likes of Reagan and Thatcher). Ever-widening wealth gaps and focus on individual responsibility for solving problems seems to have created an environment where people will jump on just about any bandwagon that tells them they're inherently better than others. Unfortunately, evil will keep winning as long as there's enough support (or indifference) for evil to keep winning.

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

You probably feel that way because this is what it feels like when evil wins.

[–] twocupsofsugar@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

evil people have always been there, but we're in an era of many crisis's, it was easier to ignore it when it didn't personally effect you. Now i imagine in the next 10-20 years it'll start effecting everyone in ways we've yet to imagine. But I don't think its the end of the world or anything just that its probably time we start considering what we want our futures to look like and start making plans to survive or fight.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 15 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

A ruling class of ultra wealthy lording over the vast majority of people who are left with crumbs is a common sign that an empire is in decline. With the US having more global influence than any previous empire, the whole world will be feeling the effects in one way or another.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Because the slow decay of the capitalist order that has been occurring since the neoliberal turn has reached the point where it's effects are being felt in the global North

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[–] WhatSay@slrpnk.net 11 points 4 days ago

Change requires a massive push, and apparently people need to suffer much much more, to inspire that momentum.

[–] bizzle@lemmy.world 21 points 5 days ago

Babylon rots from the inside. Corrupt systems cannot last forever.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (17 children)

I saw a chart that globally, the incumbent parties have lost more in these elections than before. Incumbents are down across the globe https://www.ft.com/content/e8ac09ea-c300-4249-af7d-109003afb893

I'd guess this is because things are going badly economically, so people wanted change.

[–] witten@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

Yeah, they wanted change. But then the fascists conveniently swooped in and pretended they offered the type of change people actually wanted. (Cheap eggs, etc.)

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[–] the_three_tomatoes@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (4 children)

That's, ironically, how the white supremacists felt all these years lol

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[–] wolf@lemmy.zip 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

Perhaps, because by now enough people feel a real impact on their life and fear for the ruling classes is not there anymore?

Just a few examples from direct, personal experience (I am German, so what I enumerate has a German/Euro perspective):

  • Constitutional state? Does not matter, as long as powerful/influential people can literally buy laws or prevent even discussion of laws in the parliament
    • Easy way to figure out who is favored by one law, is to check who has to prove something and how hard it is to prove
    • Best part about this is, people in power can always point out to the law and that 'we' agreed upon that law
  • Systematic discrimination against the worker class/people not owning things: Thing about laws, taxes, ....
  • Every media has an agenda and is propaganda (In the west, propaganda means mostly being selective about the information presented and how to build the narrative. Only idiots in the west will outright lie about things. It also means, who gets to talk in the media, where to position news (headlines ore somewhere else) etc. Media are owned by rich people or the state owned media are controlled by people with strong affinity to political parties
  • Corruption on all but the lowest levels, especially in the government (In Germany corruption on the lowest level is uncommon und has a high penalty, but go up the level a little bit and 'you scratch my back and I scratch yours')
  • Nepotism on all but the lowest levels (Worked in many different companies and the bigger the company the worse it gets. Working class kid does not get an intern position although it would technically be the best choice? No worries, some kid with the right parents and no clue will have that opportunity.
  • No feedback loops: In Germany, we have professional politics which have extremely good conditions for their pension, whose children do not visit public schools and who have private health care decide, what in their opinion is appropriate for most of the people in the country concerning this things...
  • No real political influence: We just had the clown-show of voting. Guess what, I can only vote between Nazis and non-Nazis. Can I vote for more taxes for the rich, a sane economic agenda which not benefits the rich, and full military support for the Ukraine? Sorry, I am out of luck. Of course I am free to build my own party. Let's see how successful that is without massive investment of money and good connections to the ruling classes to get positive media coverage.

Before the eastern block fell apart, at least in Europe/Germany, there was always the fear of the ruling class to experience another (French)revolution. Since this fear is gone, they literally have nothing to fear...

Is it possible to change anything about the situation? I am more than cynical by now:

  • Most everyone is struggling to keep their level of wealth/position in society, so the middle class fights hard to be a little bit better of then the lower class, don't even mention the upper middle class, which fights with nails and teeth for every little advantage and privilege they have
  • The higher you go in hierarchies, the more sycophants you'll discover, which don't mind selling out other humans for status/privileges, and there are even true believers, so brainwashed by neoliberal agenda, that they will fight for the privileges of rich folk they will never belong to
  • There is no way to organize enough people in real life to force any political change (especially not with an aging population)
  • The ruling class figured out for a long time in western world, that instead of fighting facts/the truth, they just have to generate more bullshit, discussions, alternative narratives and lean back, because people will discuss and not agree
  • Nearly all change to the status quo is opposed and fought by some group, which benefits from the status quo
  • Neoliberal propaganda and views are so ubiquitous and pervasive in our media, stories, etc., that a lot of people cannot even think about alternatives any more.

That's just for the western world, let's not start about the dictatorships/regimes supported by western governments with money, weapons and knowledge, where things are even more shitty.

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[–] NoxAstrum@lemmy.ca 20 points 5 days ago

It's very simple: human emotion. When something upsets the status quo, people get scared, angry and desperate. They turn to whatever solution they think will fix things.

In the case of nations, that becomes right-wing politics. Many factors in the recent past have caused distress and fear. People are afraid of losing what they have, they don't like the uncertainty. They lack the education and critical-thinking skills to choose the best course of action, instead they choose the most reassuring course of action.

In 1930s Germany, support for extremist political parties (not just the NSDAP) surged due to the desperate times they were experiencing. Germany underwent a period of hyperinflation, which was followed shortly after by the stock market crash of 1929. They were already in poor shape, both economically and emotionally, due to the punishments meted out by the Versailles treaty.

Things became very bad for the Germans, and they turned to the looneys who offered a solution. A similar scenario is playing out in several countries around the world, especially the US. COVID really upset a lot of people, none more so than the overly emotional and uneducated. They felt attacked and vulnerable, and they were already deluded by years of misinformation. They turn to politicians like Trump, because he appeals directly to their emotions. He makes them feel safe, largely by scapegoating groups who aren't actually a threat (sound familiar?).

People don't check if what they're hearing is true, they care most about having their fears assuaged. This is why we've seen a resurgence of right-wing extremism globally.

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